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This is just a comment I wanted to add for the record. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Then it would be your idea if we did decide to shift, 
that you think all of the marine activities should be combined in 
NOAA? 
Mr. Tratn. Neo, sir. I don’t think that is possible. 
Mr. Rogers. Well, it is possible. I think we could shift it if the 
Congress decided to put those activities in NOAA. I think this is 
possible. 
Mr. Tratn. It is possible. 
Mr. Rocers. I don’t know how practical it would be as a first step. 
It may be that we would want to set the agency up with some of the 
constituent agencies and then as it grows tie them in as it develops. 
Mr. Trary. There would be a great deal of duplication of effort, 
I think, as the committee recognizes. For example, in the geological 
survey, many of the scientific techniques and knowledge and tech- 
nologies which are applicable to marine geophysical exploration are 
applicable to the land. I am sure we have the same people involved in 
much of this. 
It is very difficult to try to cut this down the middle as between salt 
water and land. 
Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Would the gentleman permit me to ask a question 
while I think about it. Yesterday the Assistant Secretary of Com- 
merce and Dr. White, the administrator of ESSA both emphati- 
cally stated that if NOAA was established as a Government structure 
that then there is no question, but what ESSA should be a part of the 
new Government structure. 
Now, is it your judgment that if NOAA comes into being that it 
should not include what you have defined and described as a part of 
oceanography, the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries ? 
Mr. Train. I think it would depend on what NOAA was designed 
to be in the final legislation, because if we look at commercial fish as 
primarily a resource responsibility, then I believe it should remain 
im the resource agency. But if commercial fish had some broad re- 
sponsibility, say, for marine biology, for research into the life systems 
of the oceans, not necessarily related directly to commercial fish 
applications, then perhaps that kind of thing ought to move over to the 
type of agency you mentioned. 
Mr. Lennon. I am sure as the former head of the Conservation 
Foundation you know the capability and background of a number 
of the members of the Commission, and wouldn’t you agree with the 
Commission which spent a great deal of time and did some real soul- 
searching to arrive at the conclusion that they did, that the Bureau 
of Commercial Fisheries ought to be a part of this so-called new Gov- 
ernment structure, if one did come into being ? 
Mr. Train. Well, I certainly give them great credit for much 
broader competence certainly than I have. They are a very fine. group 
of people and certainly Dr. Stratton is an outstanding individual and 
any recommendation made by that Commission is entitled to the very 
careful consideration and attention of this Congress and the executive 
branch. , 
Mr. Lennon. Where in the past have you had a council or com- 
mission created for a special purpose that has before given the time 
