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I have made several speeches on the Commission report and I have made it a 
particular point, and I would like to make it a matter of record here, that as a 
private citizen and as one who participated in the work of the Commission I 
support wholeheartedly the organization recommendation of the Commission. 
Now, are you saying that there is anyone in DOD or anyone in the 
Navy who is in a better position to make a judgment than your rep- 
resentative on this Commission ? 
Dr. Froscu. Well, our representative 
Mr. Lennon. Was any man in DOD or in the Navy subject to the 
opportunity to participate in the panel discussions and to consider all 
the alternatives that might have arisen in the panel discussions and 
in the full Commission in its determination as to what it should recom- 
mend to the Congress and to the President ? 
Who in the DOD and the Navy is in a better position to speak to 
this subject than the person the President appointed from the Navy to 
represent the Navy on this Commission ? 
Dr. Froscu. Well, I don’t think any of us is as privy to the dis- 
cussions in the Commission as Mr. Baird has been. I hate to quote some- 
one who isn’t present, or to attribute something to him, but I don’t 
think he would disagree with the statement that the organizational 
recommendations of the Commission were merely the best that they 
could arrive at. 
Tn don’t think he would say that they are perfect, and certainly in 
my conversations with him he never suggested such a thing. [ have 
not, I believe, in this statement said they were impossible. I said they 
looked cumbersome, but I also said I think that it is very difficult to 
arrive at something which does not look cumbersome, because this is 
something which by its character is somewhat different than other 
organizations in the Government. 
Mr. Lennon. We will await your statement as to a definitive alter- 
native. 
Go ahead. 
Dr. Froscu. I don’t believe I recommend any specific alternative. I 
have tried to point up some difficulties. 
Mr. Lennon. Don’t we have a right to expect you to present some 
alternatives ? 
Go ahead. 
Mr. Kerru. He wouldn’t be inclined to say that the existing struc- 
ture in the Navy, or any other department of Government, was any 
less cumbersome than the one we are proposing here, would he? 
Mr. Lennon. He might be suggesting that it might not have been 
well to organize DOD, but just let the Navy remain as a separate 
department. 
Go ahead, Mr. Secretary. 
Dr. Froscu. With respect to H.R. 13247, the proposed transfer of 
the National Oceanographic Data Center to the National Oceanic 
Agency by the bill is noted. 
The National Oceanographic Data Center is currently under the 
administrative management of the Naval Oceanographic Office and is 
supported by funds from 10 departments and agencies. Its technical 
programs and policies are established and reviewed by an interagency 
advisory board consisting of the representatives of these sponsoring 
agencies. 
