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That some form of consolidation of marine functions leading to a somewhat 
smaller group of Federal organizations with major interests in the field would 
be highly advantageous to the national program. 
Well, of course, this is what we are trying to do, and this is the 
effort to accomplish what you basically agree with in principle. 
You talk about what is going to happen, how can we coordinate, 
and on page 7 you Say: 
The relationships between the DOD program and that of NOAA would need 
to be carefully coordinated both to prevent unnecessary duplication and to in- 
sure that the existence of either program could not be used as an excuse to cut 
the other unwisely. 
Well now, presently how do you coordinate? 
Dr. Froscu. We coordinate with the other agencies in two ways: 
One by a great deal of direct personal contact on programs which 
we know are of mutual interest, and we coordinate via the machinery 
of the National Council. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And the National Council of course this committee 
set up. 
Dr. Froscu. Yes. 
Mr. Rogers. And it took the place of an interagency committee. 
Dr. Froscu. The Interagency Committee on Oceanography. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Now when you go to ESSA you presently have to go 
through Commerce to ESSA, right; under your present setup ? 
Dr. Froscu. For a formal matter of interagency agreement we 
would, of course, go through the secretarial chain. For matters of 
interchanging program information and agreeing on mutual things 
that don’t require formal interagency agreement, we go at the ap- 
propriate directorate level in the staffs of the two organizations. 
Mr. Rocers. And I presume you do that with Coast Guard. You 
either go through the Secretary or direct ? 
Dr. Froscu. We do this in the same manner with all of the agencies. 
Mr. Rocers. And with the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries? | 
Dr. Froscu. Yes, and of course an important and strong one 1s 
direct work between the Office of Naval Research and the National 
Science Foundation. 
Mr. Rocers. The point I am trying to make is that presently you 
must coordinate now and wouldn’t it be easier if we were pulling 
three of these groups under one operation? Wouldn’t that lessen your 
coordination and operation problem to have these combined? 
Dr. Froscn. Certainly it would. h 
Mr. Rogers. That is what we are trying to do. Certainly. I agree 
with you. AH 
Dr. Froscn. As a matter of fact if the organization were to be set 
up immediately, I think one of my first tasks would be to call on the 
director and begin to set up that arrangement. Nay 
Mr. Rogers. And I am sure that he would cooperate. This is what 
I believe this committee is going to try to help you do, to coordinate 
more easily with the rest of the Government in setting up an or- 
ganization. I think we recognize and the Commission recognized that 
the Navy oceanographic effort is a distinct program from the civilian. 
I think in many areas there could be better cooperation and better 
coordination. For instance on this use of personnel perhaps and equip- 
ment, we have just gone into that. They were trying to get a new 
