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Mr. Lennon. This fish protein concentrate has not done so well 
so far, has it ? 
Dr. McErroy. Unfortunately not. I hope it will start moving now. 
IT am sorry the production has not been great enough. 
Mr. Lennon. You let the contract for how many thousands of 
tons? 
Dr. McEtroy. I forget the exact figure on that. 
Mr. Lennon. We have had a delivery of less than 1 ton. We had 
to go to the Food and Drug Administration, waiting to give its con- 
sent, a little over a year ago now, to the formula. 
Thinking in terms of prestige of this program related to other 
nations of the world, and I am thinking about the $642 million that 
was spent to develop the SST, the supersonic transport, and now they 
are going to spend $660 million more because of the prestige, do you 
want to relate those two ? 
Dr. McEtroy. Of course, again I say, that personally I am preju- 
diced. I wish I had that kind of money for oceanography. 
Mr. Lennon. Yousay in your statement : 
I believe that an organization of the scope envisaged by the Commission would 
become too unwieldy and perhaps provide more problems than it would solve. 
How would it be unwieldy, doctor, in your judgment? What prob- 
lems would it create that it didn’t solve, for the record ? 
Dr. McEtroy. Let me make a few statements with regard to what 
I think oceanography is. 
I think many people think of oceanography as a science. Oceanog- 
raphy is a multidisciplinary science. You cannot just be trained in 
oceanography per se. You have to be a good physicist, a good chemist, 
a good biologist, or a good geologist to begin with in order to be a 
good oceanographer. 
I think that if you separate oceanography from the rest of the educa- 
tional process, that is, the process of research training from the rest of 
the academic community, then oceanography is going to be in isolation, 
and that would be disastrous for the science of oceanography, in my 
opinion. 
As soon as you combine basic research and education in an agency 
that is highly oriented toward practical applications, the first thing 
that falls between the slats, when a budget cut comes, is graduate re- 
search, I think that if that happened, such would be disastrous for 
the future of oceanography. 
Those would be two principal reasons against putting them together 
in one agency. I think experience shows that in the Government this 
is what happens. When DOD gets a cut, the first thing cut is basic 
research. When an agency gets cut in authority to do essential things, 
the first things that are cut are basic research and graduate education, 
which are the lifeblood of the program we are talking about. 
The weather forecasting cannot be stopped. It has to be kept for the 
farmers and other people in this country. If it is cut, the first thing 
that goes is basic research. So that is fundamentally the reason I am 
against putting these together. 
Mr. Lennon. Doctor, you state on the last four lines on page 2, and 
lines 1 to3 on page3: 
I often have wondered how thoroughly the Navy’s vast, long-standing and ex- 
pert technological efforts in the oceans have been analyzed to determine just how 
