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Dr. McEtroy. That is correct. That was before I was associated 
with the National Science Foundation. 
Mr. Mosuer. On page 90 of the 1966 report, where it says: “In sum- 
mary the proposed new agency would be an operating agency,” that 
is what you would emphasize. Is that right? 
Dr. McEtroy. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Doctor. 
IT am compelled to ask just a closing question. 
Suppose that was true in our space program. Suppose you had over 
here in two or three agencies of the Federal Government: the scientific 
development, and over in another agency of the space program we had 
operations or practical appliances of science in administrative capa- 
bility. Do you think we would have a man on the moon before the next 
two or three centuries ? 
IT don’t think so. 
Dr. McEnroy. I don’t either, but that was one specific mission. If 
you say to the Navy, “Here is $3 billion. I want to put a man at 20,000 
feet below the surface of the ocean in 10 years in order to walk around 
Hie look at it,’ I would be willing to bet my hat that the Navy would 
ao it. 
Mr. Lennon. Speaking of that, I was reminded this morning that 
down in Mississippi they have a complex in relation to the space agen- 
cy, costing I think around $300 million. I am told it is being utilized 
now by NASA only 20-30% of its capability. 
This is not off the top of my head. I will not repeat the gentleman’s 
name who gave me that information, but he is in NASA, and he called 
it to my attention. 
They want their part of the action. He was calling my attention to 
some of these other complexes we have around the Nation related to 
the space program that are not being utilized except to a very small 
percent. They have the capability, and he said, “Why not use us? We 
want to follow this action. We think this is the next step.” 
Dr. McErroy. At a time when we have to cut our ship operations 
by 20 percent 
Mr. Lennon. That is the way organizations work in Government. 
Those that get the national image get the money, get the funding. 
The gentleman from North Carolina. 
Mr. Jones. No questions. 
Mr. Lennon. Counsel, do you have questions ? 
Mr. Crincan. Doctor, on page 3 of your statement you talk about 
weather, and I quote: 
The scientific research and resulting technology in weather prediction and 
monitoring must be continued on a high priority, perhaps more for our activities 
on land than at sea. 
Are you taking issue with the Commission’s position that the sea 
and the atmosphere should be considered as an environmental 
envelope ? 
Dr. McEtroy. No, not by any means. I am saying that they em- 
phasize that an agency that is more land oriented tends not to look at 
the sea. 
I would argue that an agency that is sea oriented would not tend to 
look at the land, and I submit that weather prediction, rain and so 
