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Mr. REINECKE. Yes, it certainly is. 
Mr. DotrtEensack. I think we tend sometimes to reach for analogies 
that hold up only partly. I think one of the analogies that we face, 
those of us who are concerned about the ocean and the atmosphere, 
is that we think in terms of the space effort. I think there are strong 
similarities and you point out some of them in your testimony about 
the need for a clear Federal pattern and a clear involvement of the 
Federal and the State and this point to which allusion has been made 
earlier about the vital imperative of major increases in funding. 
I think you have done another thing that needs to be done in this 
in your testimony when you do point out the dissimilarities. 
You, on page 8, make clear that, in your words, “Ocean effort is 
not truly to be compared with that of space.” . 
I don’t see what we are doing here or what we are proposing to 
have done in this bill as being a mirror of what has happened in the 
space effort at all because that can be coordinated in a way that this 
cannot be. 
Do I read you correctly again that, while tracing the analogy to 
a certain point on such things as the need for a massive infusion of 
funding, for a clear coordination of effort, a clear blending of the 
Federal effort with the State effort, you also are soundly pointing out 
some of the points of distinction which have to be different between 
the ocean and atmosphere ? 
Mr. Rernecke. There is no question about that. We have a whole 
different set of circumstances, particularly the fact that the States 
will each individually be involved as opposed to the space effort which 
was primarily almost a single agency type of constructive effort. 
That is why we need to establish not only additional funding and 
recognizing the limitations that we are are all facing on funding do 
the best we can, but certainly let’s establish the organization that will 
allow for this funding to increase as these plans develop and as the 
future becomes more important to us in the oceans. 
So it is the funding and the organization, the legal aspects that we 
are So very interested in. 
Mr. Detienpack. We appreciate this. I join with my colleague Mr. 
Mosher in hoping that, as we move forward with this conference later 
this month that chairman Lennon has called for, California will be 
well represented and, if it so works into your duties, that you can be 
back. I am sure there is nobody or very few in the State of California 
that can bring a sounder approach to this and give us of your own 
background. 
Thank you so much for coming. 
Mr. Rernecke. Thank you. 
Mr. Leecerr (presiding). Thank you very much, Mr. Dellenback. 
Did you say in your testimony, Governor, the monetary expenditure 
that California has currently involved in this program ? 
Mr. Rernecre. I am afraid I don’t have the total program. We are 
spending $170,000 on the planning phase. We are spending another 
$55,000 on the funding of the California Marine Advisory Commis- 
sion. 
In addition to that there are many agencies that have ocean oriented 
programs such as fish and game, such as our water pollution, such as 
our Department of Water Resources. There are numerous agencies 
