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that have marine oriented programs. I do not have the total budget as 
broken down to specifically marine orientation. 
I will be glad to get that figure for the committee if you would like. 
(The information was not received by the time the hearing was sent 
to the printer. ) 
Mr. Lxeccerr. Do you think this would be a proper area for returning 
funds to the State? 
Mr. Rernecke. It certainly sounds good to me. I can think of no 
better application or area of greater interest on my part. 
Mr. Leceerr. The gentleman from Ohio, Mr. Feighan. 
Mr. Ferenan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Governor, I just wanted to say that your exceptional testimony re- 
emphasizes my firm belief that the House of Representatives’ loss 
was California’s gain. I am very happy that you are here with us 
today. 
IT was very much impressed by your comprehensive recommenda- 
tions, and I just hope that you will have time this afternoon to visit 
the floor and see members on both sides of the aisle, all of whom have 
a high regard for your ability and friendship. 
Mr. Retnecke. Thank you very much, Mike. 
Mr. Leccerr. Thank you very much. 
Mr. Ruppe from Michigan. 
Mr. Ruppr. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 
IT am certainly glad that the Lieutenant Governor of California is 
here and that, after making such a fine contribution in the House, 
he leads the same fight for a stronger oceanographic program in the 
State of California. 
I might ask in view of the specific references and program sug- 
gestions you have made for this legislation, is it your intention or has 
the State of California gone forward with a program encompassing 
the same elements as you suggested for us here today ? 
Mr. Rernecke. Very much so, yes. California has the Marine Ad- 
visory Commission which advised and oversees from the private sector 
and the legislative point of view all of the planning that is done. 
Legislatively we now have passed a bill which has made law the 
Interagency Council which is now doing the planning and which sub- 
sequently then will develop this plan and turn it over to our new 
Department of Navigation and Ocean Development. 
This new department is the real crux, the real thrust of the future 
as far as California is concerned. This department will be our CZA. 
and we will have that department in operation whether the Federal 
Government does it or not because that is the way we are going to 
have our State organized. It is done. It is not in effect. It is an 
accomplished fact. 
What California is now waiting for is recognition of this concept 
of ocean development by the Federal Government so that we can move 
together to accomplish national goals with a little of your money. 
Mr. Ruppr. So this State agency will have the responsibility and 
the direction of creating programs, and coordinating the various State 
responsibilities. 
Mr. Retnecke. Yes, indeed, with all of the overlapping and inter- 
facing of jurisdictions of estuarine control, of pollution, of marine 
development whether it is pure science, whether it is applied tech- 
