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sonally, and with your background and knowledge of both the com- 
mittee’s responsibilities and those of your own State, it could be most 
helpful. 
You have obviously taken quite a lead in California over the other 
States in the development of a system or organization for utilizing 
the resources of the sea. 
Mr. Rerneckr, We feel we have moved ahead very fell. We are 
going to move ahead. We are moving now and we would just like a 
lot of company. 
Mr. Potiock. I am delighted with a lot that you had to say and 
would like to tell you that if I again address the Alaska Legislature 
early in the year, as I have done each year since I have been in Con- 
gress, I will certainly bring out for consideration some of your Calli- 
fornia activities in this area. 
It is nice to have you here, Ed. 
Mr. Retnecke. Thank you. 
Mr. Lecerrr. Thank you very much, Mr. Pollock. 
Now Florida would like to cross-examine California. Mr. Frey. 
Mr. Frey. It is a pleasure. I would like to welcome you. 
There is very little to add, but I would like to join my colleagues. 
Running through this testimony there is, it seems to me, a recogni- 
tion by you that certainly the present bill is much too narrow. Is this 
true ? 
Mr. Rernecke. I am not sure that narrow is the word. 
Mr. Frey. Limited in scope. 
Mr. Rernecke. It is limited, yes. It appeared to me to be a reaction 
perhaps to testimony from the bills introduced earlier this year that 
were too broad. So some of the proposals were withdrawn probably 
for good and practical political reasons. I am trying to extend the 
dimension of the bill out somewhat now even if only by contractual 
relationships to these other agencies. 
I do feel that it is necessary to establish this total concept at this 
time because I doubt very much that we are going to make significant 
organizational amendments to it for some time to come after the bill 
is passed. 
Mr. Frey. From what you said previously, I understand that when 
you faced this situation in California in essence trying to establish a 
department that would be involved with oceanography, you went ahead 
and did it as an independent department or agency. 
Mr. Rernecgke. That is correct. 
Mr. Frey. On page 11 you sort of leave up in the air your personal 
preference or the State’s personal preference regarding this bill. I 
wonder. 
You said, “* * * independent agency directly to the President or to 
a Cabinet Secretary, or finally to a Council * * *” 
Do you have a preference personally ? 
Mr. Reinecke. I would like to see this an independent agency but 
also, having served time on this and other committees, I recognize the 
practical problems, and I felt that you gentlemen not only on this side 
of the Capitol, but those on the other side of the Capitol would prob- 
ably have something to say. 
Mr. Frey. You have made this concept work in California by setting 
up a department ? 
