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Mr. Rernecke. We have set up a separate department within the 
Resources Agency. We have a little different structure in California. 
We have a Natural Resources Agency that encompasses everything 
concerning the natural resources of the State. 
Mr. Frey. This was the one further question I was going to ask 
in talking about the scope of this. Throughout your remarks ran the 
problem, which really exists, of coordination which so many other ~ 
bureaus and departments. I was a little bit surprised when you were 
answering Congressman Pollock on this. 
I thought for a minute that your agencies were two levels within a 
coordinating agency which you are going to keep, composed of you 
and the various secretaries that you are going to keep for coordination, 
but you are going to do away with that ? 
Mr. Rernecke. That is right. This will be a departmental function. 
Tt will, however, be counseled or advised by this private sector and 
legislative group known as the Marine Commission. 
Mr. Frey. I just was thinking out loud from that idea as to the 
problem of coordination. Do you think that there would be any merit 
at all in what we are doing to have a two-step affair, for instance, a 
council on environment for the planning stage which could be com- 
posed of the various under secretaries and then an action agency as 
far as this agency goes? 
Mr. Retnecke. I look at it this way. We have studied this problem 
for a long time. Our Nation and the sea report is a prime example of 
how this investigation was done. I think we are far enough along 
now that it is necessary for the Federal Government to make specific 
organizational changes to facilitate the planning at lower levels of 
Government, namely, State and perhaps some county, and for that 
reason I would like not to see this go into a planning stage again but 
to develop specific organizational form. 
Mr. Frey. I didn’t mean in a planning stage. What I meant is the 
problem, once we get this going, of coordination, for instance the 
problem with the Bureau of Mines and with them Bureau of Roads. 
Mr. Retnecke. This will be more of a problem at the Federal level 
than in California because we have simply transferred those functions 
to the Resource Department under this new Department of Naviga- 
tion and Ocean Development. 
There are very few conflicting agencies or departments now that 
are not already incorporated into this one heading which is under the 
Secretary of Resources so that we have done it all at once. 
Mr. Frey. Thank you. 
I see the chairman walked in so I will yield back the balance of 
the time. : 
Mr. Leacerr. I want to thank you very much, Governor, for your 
outstanding presentation here this morning. 
We have the chairman of our subcommittee back who has pioneered 
the current bill before the committee. I might state parenthetically 
in those synopses of comments on the Governor’s testimony that he 
has done a very good job of pointing up some of the things that we 
would have liked to have had in our bill but we kept out because we 
felt that there might be further conflagration by trying to put 
them in. 
