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We passed an authorization bill on the floor yesterday, the National 
Science Foundation, $462 million in round figures, as I recall it. When 
you read that report you find out how much they are involved in the 
field of oceanography. They spend in round figures $19 million a 
year in grants to colleges, to Woods Hole where you were at one time, 
and others in the field of oceanography. 
Should that aspect of what ‘they are doing related to the ocean 
sciences and oceanography be put into a central oceanographic and 
atmospheric agency? I know they won’t like it. But here it is. Here 
we find that certain agencies, as soon as an oceanographic vessel is 
launched, finally commissioned and ready to sail, they have to dock it. 
Where do we go from here? It just seems to me that they ought to 
get the management that we need so badLy. 
When the space organization was brought into being, suppose we 
had about eight Federal agencies trying to get to the moon? We 
wouldn’t have gotten to the moon. Fortunately the only people who 
were interested in it was one branch of the Armed Services, the Air 
Force, and that is about all. We would never have gotten anywhere. 
I think that is generally accepted. 
Counsel, do you have questions to ask of the Doctor? 
Mr. Curnean. I have no questions. 
Mr. Lennon. We are grateful to you for your appearance here 
today and apologize for the fact that so few of the members could 
attend the entire session. As you know, most of us serve on several 
subcommittees and we are just running from one to the other. 
Dr. Austtin. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. Let me make the announcement that on Tuesday of 
next week in the regular committee hearing room, 1334, Mr. Herman 
Pollack, the Director of International Scientific and Technological 
Affairs of the Department of State, and Dr. W. M. Chapman, director 
of marine resources of the Ralston Purina Co., will be our witnesses. 
We appreciate the attendance of all of you who continue to maintain 
the interest. 
Thank you again, Doctor, for your helpful advice. We will be 
calling on you to give us some more advice. I want you to think as a 
scientist, as a person who has been involved and as a dedicated indi- 
vidual, as this summary of your education and experience and publica- 
tions anal membership in organizations certainly is an indication of 
your intense interest and dedication, and if you have any ideas as we 
move along in these hearings feel free to contact us and we will be 
grateful to you. 
Dr. Austin. Thank you kindly, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. The hearings will now conclude until next Tuesday 
morning at 10 o’clock. 
( Whereupon, at 11:50 a.m., the subcommittee recessed, to reconvene 
at 10 a.m., Tuesday, October 14, 1969.) 
