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tively than the United States ocean bureaucracy, each large element of which 
still thinks it has a winning hand in the United States ocean game. If the 
General Assembly diplomats will just keep the pressure on for another two 
or three years we will end up with a tighter, more effective organization for 
international ocean affairs than we apparently could get in any other way. It 
will not be as effective or as efficient as a World Oceanic Agency would be, but 
it will be considerably better than anything we had. Fortunately the General 
Assembly diplomats seem to be just getting the bit in their teeth and settling 
down for the long grind. 
Nothing better can be expected in the international ocean affairs field until 
the United States gets its ocean house in order through the establishment of 
a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency, or some reasonable facsimile 
thereof, and can set the example other nations expect from a nation so huge in 
scientific, technological and economic power as is the United States. The United 
States has now come out well in the space race and we began doing so the 
moment we put our mind to it, set up the organization to do the job, and anted 
up the money. It is not doing well in the ocean race and it will not do so until 
it makes up its mind to do so, organizes to do so, and puts up the money to do it. 
H.R. 13247 would mark a great step in that direction, and I think a vitally neces- 
sary one. 
One can see the military need for the space program, and even the social need 
for exhiliarating discovery and adventure. I have never opposed the space pro- 
gram. The trouble is that the ocean is even more important from a security stand- 
point, the adventure and discovery elements are equally intriguing, but people 
can make money out of the ocean and not out of space. The Bureau of the Budget 
seems to frown on this sort of thing. 
To put it it bluntly, humanity and its governments are composed of two sets of 
and people and the sea people. The two are basically different. The 
sea tries out people who go upon it from all races and casts back ashore the people 
it cannot tolerate. The sea people from different races have more in common with 
each other intellectually, phychologcially, spiritually, and socially then each has 
with the land people of their own race. They are a breed apart. 
But the land people are the numerous sort. They control all government agencies 
at all levels of government and as long as they continue to do so the sea people 
will continue to be whipsawed between them. This sort of thing Bureau of the 
Budget like and support. They can then control better. 
In the California State Government within the month we will finally have one 
Department, the new Department of Navigation and Ocean Resources, whose sole 
preoccupation will be the ocean and immediate coastal zone. This is a rarity. We 
expect it to prosner. It can do this best if there is a sea agency in the Federal 
Government to match and support it, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency. 
Who knows, if we can take that momentous step we may even be able in time to 
obtain a World Oceanic Agency and be able to get on effectively with bending the 
ocean a littie toward man’s will, and making efficient use of its vast resources. 
Lennon. Thank you very much, Dr. Chapman. 
ve only regret is that every single member of the Subcommittee on 
Oceanography could not have been here to hear your challenging 
remarks. 
Mr. Karth, do you have any question: Ss? 
Mr. Karra. [have no questions, Mr. Chairman. I think that any I 
might have had have been answered by this very precise statement. 
My additional regret to yours is that certain other committee chair- 
men, and subcommittee chairmen, were not here to listen to this. 
We have a little infrastructure problem within the Congress, too, sir. 
I congratulate you for your statement. 
Mr. Lennon. The gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Jones. 
Mr. Jonns. Mr. Chairman, I apologize for getting here late. I think 
itis my loss to have not heard the gentleman. 
T want to commend the gentleman on the very forthright manner in 
which he presented this, and particularly on his choice of words. 
Dr. CHapman. Thank you. 
