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Going back to the recommendations that were made earlier, I will 
ask counsel to go back and take the Muskie bill and take the other bill 
that was considered by this subcommittee back in the 89th Congress, T 
believe, and see in what particular we could add to or consider the 
bill that we have now as a vehicle to consider some of these other 
recommendations that were incorporated in the Muskie bill, and the 
other bill considered by this subcommittee several years ago. 
I asked this question the other day of some of the Government 
witnesses who were here. I called their attention to this legislation and 
asked them where would we be today, if Congress had enacted and the 
President had signed into law this legislation that was proposed several 
years ago. They had to admit that likely we would be further advanced 
than we are now. 
Dr. Cuapman. You know, the thing I have not much noted this 
morning, Mr. Chairman, is that I feel very intensely about the competi- 
tion between ourselves and Russia on the use of the seas, and I think 
you could extend that to say that had we taken the action in 1965, we 
would at least be pulling even with Russia, and we surely are not 
doing so now. They are moving lots faster than we are in marine 
affairs. 
Mr. Lennon. Yes, sir. 
As a matter of fact, we had comparable legislation to this in HOGI, 
considered by the committee, 
Dr. Cuarman. There is nothing original about it. It is Just hard to 
put across. 
Mr. Lennon. It is just a rehash of everything that has happened 
over the years, so that we come back to that same basic problem of 
Dr. Cuapman. Empire protection is what you come back to. 
Mr. Lennon. That is a genteel way of putting it, but it is the proper 
way of putting it. 
Counsel, do you have any questions 4 
Mr. CLINGAN. No, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. Do you have any questions ? 
Mr. Jonzs. No questions, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. If you find time to carry out my request in this respect, 
the harsher you make that letter, the more delighted I will be to sign it. 
Thank you very much, sir. We appreciate your coming. 
Dr. CHapman. Thank you, sir. 
I will leave these two documents here. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, sir. 
(Reports, “Toward a More Effective Use of Food from the Sea by 
the United States and Man,” and “The Ocean Regime of the Real 
World,” to be furnished, follow :) 
TowARD A More EFFECTIVE USE OF Foop FROM THE SEA BY THE UNITED STATES 
AND MAN 
(Wilbert McLeod Chapman, Ralston Purina Co. ) 
TABLE OF CONTENTS 
Recommendations. 
Conclusions. 
Chapter I: United States Ocean Policy and its Flag Fisheries : 
A. United States Fishery Activity. 
B. Contrast with situation of the Soviet Flag Fishing Fleet. 
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