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Dr. DuBriwwer. I don’t think any agency of Government has all 
encompassing responsibility over any field. 
Mr. Rogers. As a matter of fact, it doesn’t have very much when 
you analyze it; does it? 
Dr. DuBrinee. It does have to do with ground, air, and sea trans- 
portation. 
Mr. Rogers. What does it have to do with sea transportation? We 
haven’t put any of the merchant marine under it. It doesn’t have the 
Navy functions under it. 
Dr. DuBrivcez. No. 
Mr. Rogers. Does it control railroads? The ICC is the body that 
gives direction there. Trucks are under ICC, the barge lines are under 
ICC, and the ICC is not a constituent agency of the Department of 
‘Transportation. 
_ Airline routes are not under it. CAB is not a part of it This has 
become almost a fiction that is continued in testimony to say that the 
Department of Transportation to be effective must have some link 
with a third area of transportation which is marine, and I don’t think 
in analyzing this that this really holds up. 
Dr. DuBringz. You may be right. 
Mr. Rogers. Yes. 
Dr. DuBrinee. It is a problem to be considered. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Yes, and I wonder as to the value of the argument 
made then if this is the case, and I would hope you would review your 
feelings on this. 
Now, let me ask you about this. [ noticed the statement on page 5: 
Many departments and agencies of Government have naturally been assigned 
important responsibilities in these areas 
Ocean development, environment, and so forth, but oceanography is 
mainly what you are trying to tell us I think. 
Some of which have been carried forward actively and effectively for many, 
‘many years. 
This is another thing we get from all the departments, what a grand 
job they are doing, and then we look at our development in fisheries 
resources and what do we find there ? 
IT am sure you are familiar with the fact that we are having to im- 
port 70 percent of fish products in this country every year—70 percent. 
‘This doesn’t bespeak a very aggressive policy, I think, in developing 
the fishery resources of our Nation. Would you agree ? 
Dr. DuBriner. Well, this is a commercial matter having to do with 
many things like labor, technology 
Mr. Rocrrs. No matter what. 
Dr. DuBrince (continuing). And many other things. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And lack of modernization, lack of research, lack of 
many things. I would agree that it is not just one but this doesn’t indi- 
cate a very aggressive policy there in that area. 
That is the point I am trying to make. Would you agree? 
Dr. DuBriper. Yes; I think so. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And the Department agreed in 1956 when we went 
into it in some degree. 
Now, also I would think we see this when we are told that our mer- 
chant marine is so great and then we look at the facts, and our mer- 
