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Now we see the Vice President moving in the direction in which we 
mandated him in that legislation, to coordinate and to project pro- 
grams, not structure but programs. 
So I was struck by the language you used because it recalls to my 
mind that that was the specific language that I used as the chairman 
of the committee in responding to the witnesses who appeared 
before this committee in 1965 and in the first 4 months of 1966 insisting 
that we do then what we are considering now. 
I am historically a moderate or a conservative. I want to move care- 
fully. I want to be sure. So that I wanted you to have that background. 
Dr. DuBriner. It is very interesting. 
Mr. Lennon. Now, you are very commendatory in your appraisal 
and judgment and evaluation of members of the Commission. I recall 
so vividly that 2 weeks ago tomorrow, I believe it is, that in the 
appearance here of the Assistant Secretary of Commerce, who was ac- 
companied at the witness table by Dr. White, the Administrator of 
the Environmental Science Services Administration, and this dis- 
tinguished witness who is new, too, I might say. 
Dr. DuBrince. Dr. Tribus. 
Mr. Lennon. Yes. He said that, “There are bound to be alterna- 
tives to the recommendation relating to the governmental structure, 
but I can’t find them in the report.” 
I said, “Fortunately we have with you, Mr. Secretary, at your left 
as one of the cowitnesses appearing for the Department, a gentleman 
who served on the Commission and should be in position to tell us 
whether or not the Commission explored many, many alternatives.” 
I said, “Dr. White, did you or did you not or can you say whether or 
not the Commission explored the many alternatives that the dis- 
tinguished Assistant Secretary has indicated are not found in the 
Commission’s report ?” 
He said, “We did in depth.” 
And Iam sure that they did. 
Dr. DuBrincs. Surely. 
Mr. Lennon. I happen to know that of my own personal knowl- 
edge, but of coure it was not generally known because the gentleman 
from Ohio and myself were privileged to be advisory members of the 
Commission—to do nothing except to point out to them the congres- 
sional intent, to keep them constantly advised based on the colloquy 
and debate and the testimony before the committee as well as the de- 
bate on the House and Senate floor. 
Of course we were likewise privileged to have two Members of the 
Senate as congressional advisory members of the Commission. So that 
is the background, and I think you would be interested too that it 
was conclusively stated by Dr. White and then subsequently at the 
same hearing agreed to by the Assistant Secretary of Commerce that 
if a new Government structure was brought into being that it was 
fundamental and essential that the Environmental Science Service 
Administration be placed in that agency. 
Now, you have talked about the Coast Guard. We were also privi- 
leged to have the Assistant Secretary of Transportation, and he was 
articulating rather eloquently about the essentiality of the Coast 
Guard as related to Transportation. 
I said, “Well, how is the Coast Guard related to Transportation ?” 
He said, “The merchant marine, of course.” 
