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under the same administration day-to-day operational functions and 
scientific research and technology development functions. We have 
had people say that it is very good to put them together because they 
nurture each other and there is an interrelationship that is very im- 
portant and therefore it is good. 
We have had also advice that if you put operating functions with 
science functions, and the example given to us was ESSA, the opera- 
tional functions tend to be neglected because there is too much em- 
phasis on science. I think this again is strictly a matter of admin- 
istrative function. 
Then we have had the other advice that if you put them together 
inevitably the science function will suffer in terms of funding ‘when- 
ever the budget gets tight. So we certainly have a lot of conflicting 
evidence on this subject. Do you want to offer your wisdom ? 
Dr. DuBrwer. I think I would rather leave the organizational 
problem right here. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Mosher. 
It has been suggested by counsel that if there are any additional 
supplemental remarks of any of our previous witnesses we would get 
the word to those who wanted to add to the record that it is his desire 
to end this present phase of this hearing record by November 1, in 
order that it will be sent to the printer. 
The next meeting of the subcommittee will be held on October 28 
at 9:30 a.m., for the purpose of convening the coastal zone manage- 
ment conference. This meeting will be held in room 345, the large con- 
ference or caucus room, in the Cannon House Office Building. T would 
urge the staff of the committee to contact all of the members of the 
subcommittee and urge them to be present for at least 10 minutes of 
that. conference that morning as it 1s my desire to introduce them to 
some of their constituents and to the people attending the conference 
from some 30-odd States who have been invited. 
Dr. DuBridge, we appreciate your continuing interest in this matter 
and your splendid presentation and fair approach to the matter this 
morning. Thank you so much, sir. 
Dr. DuBriner. Thank you very much, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. The meeting will now adjourn. 
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STATEMENT OF Dr. Dayton H. CLEWEUL, CHAIRMAN, NSIA OcEAN SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY, ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, MoBinL OIL 
Co. 
Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee: We appreciate very much this 
opportunity to appear on behalf of the National Security Industrial Association 
and its Ocean Science and Technology Advisory Committee to present our views 
on the Government organization recommendations contained in the report of the 
Commission on Marine Science, Engineering and Resources, “Our Nation and the 
Sea” and H.R. 13247. 
I will begin by reporting briefly on the salient features of the National Secu- 
rity Industrial Association. The Association was founded in 1944 as a result 
of the encouragement of James Forrestal, then Secretary of the Navy and later 
the first Secretary of Defense. It is’a non-profit association of approximately 
four hundred American industrial, research and educational organizations of 
all types and sizes, representing many segments of industry in all parts of the 
United States. Its primary function is to provide effective communication be- 
tween industry and the Government in matters relating to national security. 
It operates in two major ways: first, through a structure of twelve standing 
advisory committees, including anti-submarine warfare, ocean science and tech- 
