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Mr. D’Amours. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a few questions, 
but before I begin my questions, I want to point out that you men- 
tioned bringing the sludge home with you to your apartment. I 
have seen your apartment, and there are a lot of places there you 
could hide it. 
You have spent a lot of time saying that you agree with what 
Jacques Cousteau just said. He also said that whereas we do not 
know much about what we are doing in the oceans, or what the 
assimilative capacity of the ocean is, that we do have the technol- 
ogy today to manage the land disposal option. Do you also agree 
with that? 
Mayor Kocu. I do not believe, Mr. Chairman, that our ability to 
deal safely with contaminants, as they impact on the soil and our 
acqufers and our air, is enhanced over and above what we know 
cpu protecting the ocean. I think that in all cases we have a lot 
to learn. 
sl, D’Amours. So you do not agree with Mr. Cousteau on that 
point; 
Mayor Kocu. I listened to his testimony very carefully, when he 
was questioned, and in his oral statement. It seemed to me, he 
made it very clear that there are not adequate data available to 
make these decisions and that the data should be collected before 
decisions are made. 
Mr. D’Amours. He did at one point say that we have the technol- 
ogy today to contain the spread of sludge disposal plants. 
Mayor Kocu. Mr. Chairman, I agree with what I heard him say 
on that issue. I have no problem with a system which requires a 
manufacturer—and he used the illustration of wood pulp, which 
uses mercury—to remove, for example, mercury from the disposal 
waste before it enters the system that brings it into the tanks from 
which we draw our sludge. I agree with that, and if this Congress 
wanted to pass a national law that required manufacturers who 
produce wastes containing these contaminants to use state-of-the- 
art technology to do that, I am supportive of that. 
Mr. D’Amours. Is that being required today in New York? 
Mayor Kocu. Let me ask the commissioner to respond to that. 
Mr. McGouau. Yes, very definitely, pursuant to the regulations 
and laws that are already on the books with respect to pretreat- 
ment. 
Mr. D’Amours. Let me be more specific. Is the city of New York 
requiring that state-of-the-art technology be employed to remove 
the mercury and, say, the PCB’s from sewage sludge? Is there such 
a clear requirement? 
Mr. McGouau. We have a code in the city of New York that is 
enforceable against manufacturers dumping compounds in mercury 
and other chemicals into our sewers. 
Mr. D’Amours. You are not answering my question. Is there a 
requirement in the State of New York or in the city of New York 
that requires the manufacturers of the sludge or the treaters of the 
siudee. to use state-of-the-art technology to remove mercury and 
cy. 
Mr. McGouau. No, there is not. The Federal Clean Water Act, as 
you are probably aware, and the regulations issued pursuant to it 
by the Environmental Protection Agency, now cover only the elec- 
