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Mayor Kocu. There are two things that would happen. One con- 
sequence would be an enormous increase in costs which would 
mean fewer cops, teachers, and all of the services that a city pro- 
vides, because we would have to move our operating dollars in a 
fixed budget. We have to live within our budget. We have a bal- 
anced budget by law. Therefore, if you take from here and put it 
there, something suffers. We have put together a budget which we 
think is responsible, and we think we ought not to be required to 
go from $4.09 million at the current site to $27 million in operating 
expenses, plus the $50 million in extra capital costs with no signifi- 
cant benefits. That is one effect. 
Another effect is on dredged material. New York City’s harbor is 
one of its greatest glories. With some of the rules and restrictions 
which would flow from the draft amendments, there will be no 
harbor. The soil will rise, and we will be building apartments in 
New York Harbor. We will not be able to dredge. 
We want to develop a coal port in Staten Island. I must tell you 
that the people there do not want coal on Staten Island, even 
though it is not going to be burned there. We are going to ship it to 
Europe for burning, because we are the closest to Europe. We have 
to dredge our channel now from 45 feet to 65 feet, and we will 
make a lot of money, and a lot of people will go to work. It is 
terrific. 
But I will have to stand up on Staten Island and hear the people 
say, We don’t want it. We don’t want it. Then I say, Before we do 
it, we are going to have an environmental impact statement; and if 
it shows that the quality of the air is going to be degraded, we 
won't do it. They say, No. We just don’t want it. And I say, Well, 
that’s not a way to run a government. We are going to get that en- 
vironmental assessment and find out what the alternatives are. 
I am saying the same thing applies here: Before you tell us to do 
something, have the information, have the criteria, have the re- 
ports. At that point if it is established that we are doing something 
that we should not be doing because there is a better way to do it, 
we would be happy to accommodate this concern. 
Mr. Breaux. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 
Mr. D’Amours. Mr. Forsythe? 
Mr. ForsyTHE. Thank you. I yield momentarily to my colleague 
from Washington. 
Mr. PritcHARD. Mr. Chairman, our Congresswoman from Rhode 
Island, Mrs. Schneider, was tied up with a meeting with some of 
her constituents. She was very anxious to ask questions both of 
Captain Cousteau and Mayor Koch, so I would appreciate it if the 
record could be kept open for all members of the committee to offer 
questions to these people. 
Mr. D’Amours. Without objection, it will be so ordered, and it is. 
Mr. Forsythe? 
Mr. Carney. Mr. Chairman, are we going to break for the vote, 
or are we going to drift out? 
Mr. D’Amours. If the members want to stay and continue ques- 
tioning, they can. It is a vote on approving the Journal. If you 
think your record can stand the impact of missing that vote, I 
would appreciate your staying. If you want to go, I certainly cannot 
stop you from doing that. 
