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me suggest that whoever recommends it should discard that imme- 
diately and proceed in some other area with a little more construc- 
tive and substantive recommendations. 
Mayor Kocu. I agree. 
Mr. Brace. I think what you stated is a restatement of what 
Captain Cousteau has stated, what many of us have stated. I am 
going to analogize with the enzyme story that Captain Cousteau 
made. We do not have the research here. If we could have addition- 
al research—obviously you are supportive of it—with additional 
funding, research and monitoring, we can possibly develop the 
state of the art to the point where we can deal with it and not 
embark upon some esoteric undertaking with no certainty as to the 
outcome. 
Again, I relate to Captain Cousteau’s statement that you so aptly 
brought forward, about the Continental Shelf. I just do not under- 
stand it. People cannot be realistic. We are all concerned. They 
suggest taking this sludge from the New York Bight and bringing 
it to a most fragile area. They should be up in arms against anyone 
SuecUsbnls this because the devastation that could follow is immea- 
surable. 
What I believe, frankly, is that there are people who think the 
ocean should be absolutely pure. I believe it. You said: In all of its 
pristine beauty, it should prevail; the air, the ocean, all of it. But 
the judge was right: There should be some accommodation of eco- 
nomic factors, as well as some realism. Captain Cousteau, who has 
committed himself over a lifetime, stated “prudent and realistic.” 
I think we have been prudent and realistic. I think we have led 
the world in the recovery of our natural resources. Considerable 
progress has been made, and progress is continuing to be made. 
But because we gave it thought and we were at that time in Ameri- 
can history—although we know that time has passed—but we are 
now dealing with this issue. I know I have discussed this with you, 
Mr. Mayor. You would be the first to suggest we move, if the New 
York Bight can be proven to be one that is unreasonably degraded 
and certainly not to the Outer Continental Shelf, which may im- 
peril a relatively unimpacted ecosystem. 
Mine is more of a statement than a question, because I think 
that in your presentation and in your discussions with other mem- 
bers, you have addressed this issue with great equanimity. 
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. D’Amours. Thank you, Mr. Biaggi. 
I would like to say that nobody is suggesting that only the 106- 
mile site be used. I think we should keep that in mind. There is a 
65-mile site and any number of other possible sites that might be 
better suited. 
Mr. Evans, from the State of Delaware? 
Mr. Evans. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mayor Koch, I am sorry I missed your opening remarks here, but 
I caught you on television the other night for the Actors Guild. It 
was a superb performance. 
As you know, Mr. Mayor, we have a difference of opinion on the 
dumping of harmful sewage sludge in the Atlantic Ocean. I think 
you have a responsibility, not only for your citizens, but when New 
York City dumps, you have a responsibility for what you may or 
