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may not do to the citizens of New Jersey, to Maryland, to little 
States like Delaware, to our tourist industry, to our clamming in- 
dustry, to our fishing industry, and all of those things that mean so 
much to the livelihood of people in States like ours. 
I believe quite strongly that those who are dumping what might 
be a potentially harmful sewage sludge in the Atlantic bear the 
burden of proof of showing that it is not going to be harmful to 
others. When you start talking about cadmium and mercury and 
PCB’s that are potentially dangerous, I think that poses a real 
threat. 
Mr. Mayor, since you may have a different perspective now that 
you are running for Governor of the great State of New York, I 
wonder how you feel about New York State helping New York City 
with its sewage sludge problems? What are they doing now, and 
what would you do as Governor? 
Mayor Kocu. Let me just say that I have the same perspective as 
mayor as I would as Governor, which is that I would represent my 
constituency. I am the mayor of the City of New York. I stand up 
and I fight for my city, just as you fight for your congressional con- 
stituency. Should I become the Governor of the State of New York, 
I would stand up and fight for the 62 counties in the same feisty 
way that I do the five counties that I currently represent. 
As it relates to the sludge problem, which is what we are talking 
about, I do not believe that any of the requests that we have made 
of the State of New York have gone unfulfilled in this area. I may 
be in error, and I will look at it, but I myself do not recall ever 
making a request of the Governor or the State legislature in this 
area. So I do not think it is a problem. But whatever I would do as 
Governor, I would respond to New York City in the same way I 
would respond to Rochester, Buffalo, and Messina, N.Y 
Mr. Evans. With a great deal of chutzpah, as they say, Mr. 
Mayor? 
Mayor Kocu. No. Chutzpah has a special meaning. On occasion 
it has the connotation of feistiness. 
Mr. Evans. Generally considered to have a very positive connota- 
tion. 
Mayor Kocu. On that basis, I accept it. 
Mr. Evans. You stated, Mr. Mayor, that many of the Bight’s 
problems off New York City stem from pollution other than sewage 
sludge. 
Mayor Kocu. Yes. 
Mr. Evans. What are you doing, for example, to stem the runoff 
from the city streets? 
Mayor Kocu. The runoff from the city streets? 
Mr. EVANS. Yes. 
Mayor Kocu. Are you talking about the raw discharge? 
Mr. EVANS. Yes, sir. 
Mayor Kocu. Not the city streets, but the sewage that we put 
into the North River. 
Mr. Evans. Yes, whatever. 
Mayor Kocu. OK. The sludge is what we, through our treatment 
facilities, produce by taking out and treating the water and what 
we ultimately dispose of in the ocean. The dumping of raw sewage 
into the North River is another cause of pollution. We are comply- 
