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ing with a consent order entered into with the Federal courts that 
establishes a schedule for construction of our North River and Red 
Hook plants. I believe we are meeting the dates in that consent 
order. It involves hundreds of millions of dollars. Just let me give 
you the figures. 
The North River plant, which is the larger one under construc- 
tion, will involve spending $283 million in 1982; in 1988, $95 mil- 
lion; in 1984, $47 million. The total cost for the termination of raw 
discharge into the North River will cost—and we are going to bear 
it, Federal/State/City, in terms of capital costs—$426 million. It is 
worth it, and we are on target. The Red Hook plant construction 
will involve an expenditure in 1983 of $75 million—these are rough 
figures; it is actually a little bit above that—and in 1984, of $87 
million. The total cost for the termination of raw discharges 
through the Red Hook facility will be $163 million. We are doing a 
lot. 
Mr. Evans. That is a lot of figures, Mr. Mayor. It is difficult to 
really assess the costs in the future of what harmful dumping 
could be. You have stated in your opening remarks that sludge con- 
tributes a small fraction of the contaminant load in the Bight, but 
what is the contribution of sludge for some individual pollutants, 
such as PCB’s? 
Mayor Kocu. May I have the Commissioner respond to that, be- 
cause I think it is more technical? 
Mr. EvANs. Certainly. 
Mr. McGoucu. We are not certain of what the load is on the 
Bight from sewage sludge of PCB’s. We will examine that as part 
of our response to the rulemaking proceedings that are about to 
begin on the designation of a dumping site and in the context of 
our permit application. 
Mr. Evans. How much are you spending on monitoring? 
Mr. McGouacu. The monitoring costs on the New York Bight, by 
the sludge dumpers, is approximately $300,000 per year, of which 
the city pays one-half. That is on monitoring. 
Mr. Evans. Do you think that New York City would or could or 
should assume a greater share of the costs of monitoring short and 
long-term impacts of dumping? 
Mr. McGoueu. I believe the mayor has said that we would be 
willing to pay our fair share, yes. 
Mr. Evans. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. D’Amours. The gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. Hughes. 
Mr. Huaues. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Welcome, Mayor Koch. 
Mayor Kocu. Thank you. 
Mr. HuGues. You are looking well, and you sound as good as 
ever. We are happy to have you. 
I might tell you that your mail would be running a little higher 
in the nonporpoise matters today, I can assure you. Back in 1976, 
that was one of the major concerns, but there are a few more con- 
cerns these days. 
As you know, I have been very actively involved in ocean dump- 
ing since I came to the Congress. I know you were very supportive, 
for which I am indebted. I suspect that if I were the mayor of New 
York City, I would be doing exactly the same thing you are doing, 
