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Third, why the EPA should not in the future, attach to any 
permit issued, a requirement that New York City and other mu- 
nicipalities bear full liability and responsibility for cleaning up the 
ocean if it is determined that in fact it has degraded the environ- 
ment. 
Mayor Kocu. We will be happy to respond to all of them. 
Mr. D’Amours. Thank you, Mr. Hughes. 
Last, I want to recognize Mr. Carney. 
Mr. Carney. Thank you. 
Mr. Mayor, you can answer yes or no. Did you not respond to the 
Long Island Sound dredge program that was presented by the 
Corps of Engineers New England District? 
Mayor Kocu. I do not honestly know. Respond in what form? 
Mr. Carney. If my memory serves me, you were for the dumping 
in Long Island Sound of the dredge material from the Maraneck 
Harbor and those points. 
Mayor Kocu. I honestly do not know. 
Mr. Carney. My second question is, could you provide for the 
record the economic impact on New York Harbor, the Port of New 
York, if you would, if you were to stop dumping dredge material in 
the ocean? I would appreciate that. 
I would like to end this hearing as we break for lunch with an 
old Jewish prayer, Mr. Mayor. It says, “May God bless you and 
keep your sludge away from my bedroom.” 
Mr. D’Amours. Ed, it was great seeing you again. Thank you for 
coming and for your testimony. I look forward to seeing you soon. 
Mayor Kocu. Thank you. 
ie D’Amours. The subcommittee stands in recess until 2 
o'clock. 
[Whereupon, at 12:57 p.m., the subcommittee recessed, to recon- 
vene at 2 p.m., the same day. | 
AFTERNOON SESSION 
Mr. D’Amours. The subcommittee hearings will continue. 
Our next witness is Dr. John Knauss, Chairman of the National 
Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere. 
Dr. Knauss, thank you for coming. Please proceed. 
STATEMENT OF DR. JOHN A. KNAUSS, CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL 
ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON OCEANS AND ATMOSPHERE 
Dr. Knauss. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
After this morning, I feel a bit like the cheese sandwich being 
brought to a banquet. It also appears that most of your members 
feel well fed. 
I have a brief statement which, with your permission, I would 
like to read. 
As you know, NACOA has spent considerable time reviewing 
waste management issues, including those relating to ocean dispos- 
al of sewage sludge. We have recently reviewed the events of the 
past year, since we last testified before you, and have also looked at 
the present status of EPA and NOAA ocean disposal programs. We 
appreciate this opportunity to review the situation as we see it. 
Our basic position has changed little, but because of events of the 
