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I might say for the record that the gentleman from Delaware is 
too modest. He was a prime sponsor and worked very hard. 
The gentlelady from Rhode Island. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. Dr. Goldberg, you made the statement that the 
oceans are capable of accepting more waste but it must be done 
with care. Who do you see carrying on the responsibility of that 
care? 
Mr. GoLpBERG. I think it is a variety of people who express con- 
cerns that can be translated into action. It is scientists, it is envi- 
ronmentalists like my friend Ken Kamlet who was here this morn- 
ing, public officials like yourself, governmental agencies, and also it 
is international pressures that force us to consider maintaining re- 
newable resources of our environment. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. But the bottom line comes down to having not 
just haphazard review by an environmental group or very frail and 
unsophisticated oversight by a State agency, for example, but do 
you not see the value for a continuous ongoing monitoring system 
that is the total responsibility of the Federal Government? 
Mr. GoLpBERG. I tried to establish one with your husband some 
years ago. It has now been phased out. The answer is yes. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. I will ask this same question of you as I did of 
the previous witnesses, and that is, knowing that the budget for 
monitoring has been cut by 60 percent, I can’t help but make an 
analogy that that is more than half. That is like saying to me, 
Claudine, we are going to cut off your right leg and your five toes 
on your left foot and then tell me to walk to work. It would be vir- 
tually impossible. I wonder if you share the feeling that knowing 
what the monitoring budget was and how it was used, and recog- 
nizing that it is now slated in the 1983 budget for 60-percent reduc- 
tion, do you think that there is any serious intent on the part of 
fs ee Government to continue to have a role in the monitor- 
ing? 
Mr. GoLpBERG. I can’t answer that. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. You mean you won’t answer that? 
Mr. Go.pBERG. It is not my area of expertise, judging the Gov- 
ernment. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. You have indicated that you support the Feder- 
al Government’s role in ocean monitoring. 
Mr. GOLDBERG. Yes. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. And you have been involved in that process in 
the past. Now this process is being cut by 60 percent. What kind of 
impact do you feel that will have on the ocean monitoring system? 
Mr. GoLpBERG. It is going to be disastrous. It is also going to pro- 
vide public officials the opportunity to translate scientific knowl- 
edge into policy with a smaller information base, a poor spring- 
board, a poor stepping stone with which to legislate. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. If we have less information as legislators, then 
it seems to me that we will be making inadequate laws that will 
lead to controversy and probably the only beneficiaries will be the 
legal profession. 
Mr. GOLDBERG. I can’t disagree. 
Mrs. SCHNEIDER. The other point that I would like to make is 
that you have indicated strong support for a multimedia study for 
waste disposal. This, I assume you are implying, would be the un- 
