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Mr. D’Amours. I am sure we will have permission to hold the 
record open until your responses come through. 
Mr. ScHEvuER. In addition, I would like to know what is the cost 
of the site designation proposed to be covered by the user fees and 
how you would propose the costs for site designations be allocated 
among users? 
Mr. Erpsness. I think we could develop some general approaches, 
formulas for allocation and some strawman-type cost scenarios to 
get a feel, and that is exactly what we proposed in my testimony, 
Congressman, approaches we would go through under rulemaking 
to get to the very specifics. It would really take a long time to come 
to a specific closure on this. 
Mr. ScHEUER. Why don’t I go through my questions? Are we 
under the 5-minute rule, Mr. Chairman? 
Mr. D’Amours. In a manner of speaking, yes. 
Mr. ScHEUER. I want to be sure I get my questions in because 
most of them you are going to respond to in writing anyway and I 
don’t want to exhaust my time before I have had a chance to put 
the questions. 
With your forebearance, I will ask the questions and it will be 
sort of like a Mark Twain novel in four volumes translated into 
German, where you don’t get to the verbs until the last volume. 
H.R. 6113 specifies that EPA collect a special fee to cover the 
reasonable costs to be incurred by the Administrator in carrying 
out the periodic monitoring of the site. I take it you subscribe to 
this kind of monitoring? 
Mr. Erpsness. In general, yes. 
Mr. ScHEUER. How do you estimate the costs of such monitoring 
to the dumper? You don’t have to give me the answer now. 
Should the monitoring be done at all sites? 
Do you also support the user fees for both sludge dumping and 
industrial dumping? 
Do you support imposition of these user fees on dredged spoils? If 
you don’t, tell us why you don’t. 
Now, as far as EPA is concerned, does EPA have the ability to 
carry out its programmatic responsibilities in ocean dumping with 
your current budget request? We have found the EPA current re- 
quest for research to be grossly inadequate. We would like your 
view on whether you can carry out ocean dumping activities with 
your present budget or whether user fees would be required to 
maintain those programs in permitting, in site designation, in re- 
search, and in monitoring. 
In other words, did your budget request contemplate or antici- 
pate the addition of user fees for your budget in order to carry on 
these activities? 
Mr. Erpsness. Not for fiscal year 1983, no, sir. 
Mr. ScHEUER. When did your Agency decide to support user fees? 
I don’t have to have the answer now. I just want to get all my ques- 
tions in. 
Mr. E:psngss. I like this line of questioning, Congressman, where 
I don’t have to answer in public. 
I take that back. 
Mr. ScHEUER. If we were.not working under a 5-minute rule, I 
would follow a more traditional line. 
