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Mr. ScHEUER. I thank my colleague very much. 
Mr. Carney. On page 50 of your testimony, you say one of the 
reasons you object to the amendment of H.R. 6324 is that the user 
fees would be used to conduct and evaluate sewage sludge research. 
Now, do you feel we have completed the necessary research on 
the ocean dumping of sewage sludge? 
Mr. ErpsnEss. I will answer in two parts, Congressman. We don’t 
think we have done all the research that needs to be done regard- 
ing sewage sludge. There is a question of how sewage sludge re- 
search should be financed, much as I stated earlier before you were 
in the room. Research type activities, in my mind at least, fall in 
the spectrum of those combined activities that ought to be funded 
through the normal budgeting process that we now have as op- 
posed to the user fee type system. The only exception to that might 
be research activities that apply specifically to a location where we 
are making a siting or permit decision. 
Mr. Carney. I appreciate that, but then we have a little bit of a 
problem here because NOAA has cut the funding for R&D under 
title II of the Ocean Dumping Act in this regard, so what are we 
going to do to fund what I believe to be very necessary projects? 
We thought that with the cutting of the funds in title II that per- 
haps the user fees would be a way that we could continue to carry 
out the research. Would you have any suggestion as to how we 
should do that and if not, what happens to the R&D program? 
Mr. Erpsness. I can respond with respect to EPA. EPA conducted 
a lot of R&D and as a matter of fact, there has been a steady in- 
crease from fiscal year 1981 through the present and the proposed 
fiscal year 1983 in our research budget. I can give you specifics if 
you like, and I think that EPA’s research budget is adequate with 
respect to NOAA. I have contacted Dr. Anthony Callio in recent 
days—the Deputy Director of NOAA—and have set up a meeting 
with him and the Director to discuss this to see what better coordi- 
nation, and what research exists, and how should the agencies 
tackle this very issue for the coming year. 
