(Ay) 
Mr. CarRNeEY. Thank you. 
If you will submit those numbers for the record, I will appreciate 
it. 
My 5 minutes have expired. Thank you. 
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QUESTIONS OF Mr. CARNEY AND ANSWERED BY EPA 
Question. If you will submit those numbers for the record, I will appreciate it. 
Answer. The Agency’s research and development program has increased its re- 
sources for ocean dumping related research from zero funding in fiscal year 1981 to 
$635,000 and $625,000 in fiscal year 1982 and its fiscal year 1983 request respective- 
ly. The Agency also undertakes other marine-related research in support of the 
301(h) marine waiver program, the 403(c) ocean discharge criteria program, and 404 
dredge and fill permitting program. 
Question. Has Mr. Eidsness met with Dr. Anthony Callio to discuss EPA-NOAA 
coordination? 
Answer. The Eidsness-Callio meeting has not taken place yet, but a meeting to 
discuss better EPA-NOAA coordination at Headquarters did occur between Mr. 
Eidsness’ deputy, Rebecca Hanmer, and other senior EPA staff and Dr. Lawrence 
Swanson, Director, Office of Marine Pollution Assessment, NOAA, and Mr. Philip 
Cohen of Dr. Swanson’s Staff. This meeting occurred on July 19. EPA and NOAA 
agreed on the significant issues to pursue, and this discussion will lead within the 
next two months to a more formal discussion at the Assistant Administrator level. 
Mr. D’Amours. Do the members know a vote has just been sig- 
naled? 
The only member of the panel who has not yet had a chance to 
question, would be Mr. Hughes. I will leave that option up to Mr. 
Hughes. 
Mr. HuGues. I think I can finish in 3 or 4 minutes. 
Mr. D’Amours. Mr. Hughes. 
Mr. HuGues. I thank the panel. 
As I understand it from the EPA’s testimony in particular, EPA 
is looking for a very simple program, one that is understandable, 
one that is auditable, and one that is fair and equitable. If I under- 
stand correctly, what you want to do is to try to put any burden of 
regulating dumping on those that are dumping? 
Mr. Erpsness. The cost? 
Mr. Hucues. As opposed to trying to shape policy on company 
fees? 
Mr. Erpsness. Absolutely, yes sir. 
Mr. HuGues. The idea is to try to get the Federal Government, 
who will do the supervising, monitoring, and site selection and 
other things involved in the regulatory process? 
Mr. Erpsnsss. I don’t think the premise of any kind of fee system 
in this instance should be that we are going to depend upon a fee 
system to generate sufficient revenues to cover all the things the 
Federal establishment or EPA, in this instance, does with respect 
to ocean dumping. 
I think it is to allocate costs to the dumpers on the basis of those 
activities which directly relate to the permitting decision and dis- 
posal decision. 
Mr. Hucues. If we are going to do that, why don’t we try to 
recoup whatever costs are involved in that activity? If it is a good 
concept, why isn’t it good enough to try to recoup whatever are the 
costs? 
