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money would flow to the Northeast monitoring program because 

 we would obviously make tradeoffs in terms of other kinds of re- 

 search that we support. 



Mr. ScHATZOW. I might note, Congressman, that the administra- 

 tion has requested authority for a general user fee system which 

 would raise additional money for just exactly this kind of purpose, 

 for the purpose of site designation and monitoring. So if this com- 

 mittee were to take favorable action on the administration's re- 

 quest 



Mr. Carper. Has legislation been submitted for that purpose? 



Mr. ScHATZOW. The administration has submitted legislation, 

 yes. 



Mr. Carper. To whom? 



Mr. ScHATZow. To the Speaker, and to this committee. 



Mr. Carper. OK. 



Mr. ScHATZOW. March 15. 



Mr. Carper. What effort is underway between EPA and the 

 Coast Guard to insure adequate surveillance of ocean dumping ac- 

 tivities, especially in the event that the 106-mile site is ultimately 

 designated? 



Mr. ScHATZOW. We have had conversations with the Coast 

 Guard, we mentioned some of the techniques to be used. The other 

 thing we are discussing with the Coast Guard is the possibility of 

 requiring ship riders to be on all the vessels that go out to the 106- 

 mile site or at least some representative number of those independ- 

 ent ship riders that would be paid for by the dumpers and yet 

 would report directly to the Coast Guard. 



Mr. Carper. Finally, I understand that EPA has given to New 

 York City and northeastern New Jersey municipalities which are 

 still dumping substantial amounts of money to develop land-based 

 alternatives. Could you give us your assessment as to why those op- 

 tions are not being pursued? 



Mr. ScHATZow. In 5 minutes? I am not sure. I think they vary 

 from municipality to municipality. I know there have been prob- 

 lems in some of the technical mechanisms that were developed or 

 underway. I think there were obviously substantial institutional 

 and political resistance to land-based alternatives in the Metropoli- 

 tan New York area. 



Mr. Carper. Mr. Chairman, I believe my time has just about ex- 

 pired. I would like to submit in writing additional questions. 



Mr. D' Amours. Without objection, so ordered. 



[The information follows:] 



Questions of Mr. D' Amours, and Answers by NOAA 



Question 1. If all municipal sewage sludge currently being dumped at the 12-mile 

 site was dumped at the 106-mile site, would the states of New Jersey, Delaware, 

 Maryland, and Virginia be more impacted by the new dumping at the 106-mile site 

 or continued dumping at the 12-mile site? 



Answer. The environmental effects of ocean dumping on Delaware, Maryland, 

 Virginia, and most of New Jersey are non-existent regardless of which site is used. 

 However, the quality of the coastal waters of northern New Jersey bordering the 

 New York Bight Apex would improve as a result of relocation of dumping to the 

 106-mile site. Since the 12-mile site is closer to shore, is shoreward of the 50-meter 

 isobath (demarking a point where bottom waters have a shoreward trajectory), and 

 since its water flows southward on average, use of the 12-mile site poses greater risk 

 to the coastal environmental. Waters leaving the 106-mile site also flow southward 



