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Mr, Arbesman. I think what I have laid out is an attempt at a 

 new cooperative spirit to reach resolution of the issue. I think it is 

 fair to say New Jersey doesn't have the land space of Pennsylvania 

 or New York to consider options they may have. Most of the op- 

 tions studied for on-land disposal in our State have been process- 

 ing-type options like incineration and thermal reduction. Those 

 necessarily have some severe components that have to be evaluat- 

 ed. We don't think they have been adequately addressed at this 

 time. 



Therefore, we are trying to do in a coordinated fashion and we 

 would like to look across all media to look at the pathways for 

 these pollutants. Is it worse to have it in the air rather than in the 

 water? Is it better at one place in the ocean or is it better on land? 

 We have a severe problem in New Jersey getting rid of garbage at 

 the present time. We have a number of Superfund sites that need 

 attention. It is not going to be an easy time to do anything in terms 

 of land-based alternatives. That is why from the credibility stand- 

 point, we believe this thorough reassessment of all the data you 

 have seen, that from Federal agencies. The city of New York is 

 spending millions to do their own study to stay at the 12-mile site. 

 We need a pulling together of all that information into one concise 

 approach that says yea or nay to the various options open to us 

 and try to force what should have been forced a long time ago and 

 that is dealing with toxic issues in pretreatment and setting of na- 

 tional ambient standards. 



Mr. Carper. Thank you. 



Have you looked at Eco Rock, not to be confused with punk rock 

 or anything? I understand the city of Philadelphia has developed a 

 pilot plant that currently takes sludge and develops from it a rock- 

 like substance which can be used among other things for road con- 

 struction. Have you folks considered that particular alternative? 



Mr. Arbesman. We think that ought to be covered in the review 

 done. We have looked at the Garden State one time, we are the 

 Garden State, and we wanted to use the domestic sludges in a buzz 

 word of that sort. So there are avenues open in the low technology 

 area that could pull off a piece of the problem if the sludges were 

 cleaned up adequately. 



Mr. Carper. Thank you, and particularly to my friends from 

 Delaware, thank you for your appearance and testimony today. 



Mr. D' Amours. I thank you, also, gentlemen. It was good having 

 your testimony. It will be very useful to the subcommittees. 



Thank you very much. 



Mr. Castle. I would like to thank you personally. Conducting a 

 legislature can be strident and I appreciate the courtesy and 

 wisdom with which you have handled everything. 



Mr. Arbesman. I would like to echo that sentiment. It has been a 

 very interesting hearing for us to attend just to listen to witnesses. 

 I would like to publicly thank Congressman Hughes and Congress- 

 man Forsythe for their actions on helping us with the strategy we 

 have outlined and also Congressman Hughes for particularly being 

 a long-term supporter of trying to keep the ocean in a proper state 

 and cleaning it up from where it was. 



Thank you. 



Mr. D'Amours. We thank you very much, gentlemen. 



