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Mr. Mourpuy. It is there. But as I said, we have to deliver the message 
that no one has the right to foul the air, sea, or land of America, and 
the sooner that message is delivered clearly and succinctly to everyone, 
then we are going to stop, let us say, the put-off-again-business that I 
think we just witnessed in this country over the past three or four 
decades. 
Mr. Dincetx. Mr. Murphy, we are in entire agreement. 
Counsel. 
Mr. Evererr. One question. 
As Mr. Frey pointed out, the Interior report recommends a deferral 
on consideration of your bill since the President has already expressed 
concern over ocean dumping and plans to come forward with the re- 
sults of a study now underway. I believe it said there is pending in 
the Public Works Committee another bill that would also concern it- 
self with dumping in the ocean. 
Mr. Murphy, I notice your bill covers navigable waters as well as 
coastal waters and the Continental Shelf. I am wondering if you had 
any comment to make with respect to the recommendations of the 
Interior Department that seem to be leaning toward ocean dumping 
as the solution to this problem. 
Mr. Murpuy. I think we have seen clear evidence that this adminis- 
tration through budgetary considerations has asked delays and set- 
backs on many programs, and that basically is the reason for it and 
that is why I say it is time we get on with this, particularly in the 
areas of New York. 
Some reports—we don’t know whether we can substantiate them— 
is that as much as 90 percent of the commercial and sport fishing has 
disappeared from the area of this bight. We are probably coming to 
the point where to delay a year or two years or longer periods of time 
in our marine ecology and our marine environmental areas could be 
disastrous. 
That is why I would not delay this legislation waiting for another 
study that was not designed to meet the problem of marine ecology. 
Mr. Evererr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Dincetu. One more question, Mr. Murphy. 
I have observed a number of articles in the press about finless fish, 
being fish without fins, deformed in strange ways, being taken now in 
this New York bight area. Can you give the committee any informa- 
tion on whether it relates to the dumping of waste products? 
Mr. Mureny. I visited the Sandy Hook Laboratory with several 
people, the Corps of Engineers, Colonel Barnett, who is the District 
Engineer in New York, Dr. Colosi, head of the Interstate Sanitation 
Commission, and the question of finless fish came up, and the very 
stark photos that were so widely publicized in this country were 
brought out: 
And Dr. Colosi asked for the bacteria and virus involved so that 
he could study to substantiate a claim that seemed to exist that that 
fin deterioration took place in those fish because of the bight, the so- 
called dead sea area outside of New York. 
No definitive answer has been given to that question yet. The viruses 
and the bacteria that he got from the laboratory didn’t give him an 
opportunity to make a definite determination and he asked for some 
others and he is going through that process right now. 
