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We do know that fins and tails can deteriorate in a fishbowl, this 
could be an evolution in the life of a fish; but then again it could be 
caused by the serious pollution in that area. These are the answers to 
questions we have got to have. 
I think that is the answer to that question, and the sooner we get 
those answers the better we are going to be. 
Mr. Frey. I agree about not putting it off. It has been put off too 
long, a great number of years. Only the last few years we find we are 
getting some progress. 
Explain again for me the difference between your bill and the Fed- 
eral Water Pollution Control Act introduced on February 10, which 
I introduced and a number of people have introduced. 
As I understand it, this bill also goes to the dumping problem al- 
though it does refer to the contiguous zone. If any of the material 
comes from the territory of the United States that affects any of these 
areas, I think there is a provision in there where it can be abated. 
I want to know, is there any difference in effect between your bill 
and this bill? 
Mr. Mureny. Yes, but we address ourselves to the marine environ- 
ment of the marine wildlife and the estuarine areas necessary to the 
development of our marine environment. | 
Mr. Frey. I think they are both good. I am not quibbling about 
that. I am trying to see where the overlap is because the bill itself goes 
to pollution of interstate waters, navigable waters, waters in contigu- 
ous zones, and waters of the high seas. 
So I think really both bills cover the same thing. As far as I am 
concerned I don’t care how it is passed as long as we get it passed. But 
I, for the record, wanted to point out that I believe they are pretty 
much the same, the one in the Public Works Committee and this bill 
itself. 
Section 10 covers the pollution of the interstate and navigable 
waters. 
Mr. Mureuy. When we come to dumping off the Continental Shelf, 
we have the problem of going 100 miles at sea which can be as costly as 
requiring dumping on the moon. If that was the required law today, 
I doubt if any harbor in this country could comply with it because the 
Coast, Guard wouldn’t authorize the present dumping equipment to 
go much more than, let us say, 15 to 20 miles at sea. 
It just wouldn’t meet the marine requirements for it and insurance 
could not be issued for it. Of course, if we are going to clean our en- 
vironment, the dollars to clean it are important. Therefore, we are re- 
quiring EPA or the Secretary to designate those areas specifically 
where dumping can take place, of course, to exclude it from the 
marine environment areas. | 
Mr. Frey. I point that out in all fairness because I have been im- 
patient myself, but I don’t think they have been sitting on their hands. 
Mr. Gooptine. One more question, please. 
Mr. Dincetu. Mr. Goodling. 
Mr. Goopitine. I have not been able to determine who made this 
statement, Mr. Murphy, in looking through your statement—‘We 
have not yet found any measured effect resulting from the disposal of 
industrial acid waste.” 
