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That is all, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Dincett. Thank you, Mr. Goodling. 
Mr. Frey ? 
Mr. Frey. If the gentleman will yield, I will agree with that testi- 
monial. I have a basic question that bothers me in this whole area. 
Is any of this legislation really broad enough or adequate? The 
legisiation we are considering today touches one part of it, the dump- 
ing part. H.R. 15905, which is the water pollution bill, adds standards 
to the abatement of pollution activities in the contiguous zone, and so 
forth. 
In your opinion, really, have we looked at this whole thing and got 
legislation adequate to cover the complete problem ? 
Dr. Guascow. I do not think so. No, we don’t. 
The last statement I made was that the problems associated with 
the cessation of ocean dumping—and this is not in my written state- 
ment because I added it after I sat down here—are very complex. 
Therefore, we must proceed after a thorough study and with great 
caution because this is a complex matter. If we go too fast, I think 
we are apt to cause more problems than we cure. 
Mr. Frey. I certainly recognize the fact that you have done a fine 
job and that the administration has taken some strong steps in the 
short time that they have had a chance to do something. But I think 
it has also been pointed out, have we not been studying this complex 
problem for a good deal of time now ? 
Dr. Guascow. I do not think so, because I served as a director of the 
wildlife and fisheries commission in Louisiana, and one of my big con- 
cerns was the barging of ocean wastes down the Mississippi River 
from all the internal areas of the country, right on top of Louisiana 
and the gulf. I was fighting it down there. At that time there really 
had not been any study. I could not even find out who was responsible 
for issuing permits or how much authority any governmental agency 
had. It was very difficult. That has only been 3 or 4 years ago. 
Mr. Frey. We can agree from your statement, one, that this is an 
urgent matter? It is something we do not have a great deal of time 
to come to a conclusion about ? 
Dr. Guascow. Yes, I will agree 100 percent on that. 
Mr. Frey. And two, that probably the legislation that we have be- 
fore us and other legislation is good legislation and is tending in its 
intent at least to go somewhat in the right direction ? 
Dr. Grascow. Yes, sir. There are many good aspects to the legisla- 
tion proposed. 
Mr. Frey. Three, from what you say, probably after looking at the 
problem a little deeper, we do need more comprehensive legislation 
regarding this problem than we presently have. 
Dr. Guascow. Yes. If we should stop all ocean dumping right now, 
I do not know how New York City and the other areas there would 
dispose of their waste materials. They are not prepared to take care 
of it. It will be several years before they are. 
Mr. Frey. This might be someplace down the line, but I am some- 
what surprised to see our colleagues from New York putting in a good 
word about our space program regarding the taking of pictures In 
space. Of course we will have the earth resources satellite in 1972 
