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Mr. Grover. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
I only wish to compliment the gentleman for his activities in this 
area of ecology and solid and liquid waste disposal. The Chair may 
not know it but the gentleman and I are very fond of Sandy Hook. I 
think I spent more time on Sandy Hook than any other Congressman 
having been stationed there with the Coast Artillery for a while, and 
I spent a good deal of time on the beaches of Long Island when the 
southwesterly winds would bring all the garbage up on the beach with 
the seaweed, and I had to rake it off as a lifeguard. 
It has been very, very distressing to me at times, on a clear day to 
fly from Long Island to Washington, and to see the very large area 
of yellow ochre discoloration of the blue Atlantic off the Jersey shore. 
Tt is a rather ugly stain on a very, very beautiful stretch of ocean, but 
of course much more serious than even the appearance, as the gentle- 
man has stated and the gentleman preceding him, I do, Mr. Chairman, 
hope that we will give this bill action which it needs so badly. 
Mr. Drnce.. It is the intention of the Chair to move on this legis- 
lation. Mr. Karth ? 
Mr. Kartu. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. 
I want to commend the gentleman, too, not only for his testimony 
today, but for having held hearings and having written a report for 
the Committee on Public Works. I think this indicates a very serious 
interest in the problem. 
The preceding witness, Mr. Ottinger, told the committee about a 
process which has been developed by a company which resulted from 
the high heat regeneration of sludge and other solid matters that had 
been dumped into the area, and called our attention to the fact this is 
a process that not only is being thought of but actually used, and sug- 
gested that this might be a permanent solution to the problem. This 
could be used in building blocks and road materials and solid fill 
material. I wonder if the gentleman could comment on that. 
Mr. Howarp. I am not familiar with that particular one, but we 
need a scientific and technological breakthrough. Many organizations 
have developed what we believe is the answer to this, and I have had 
them in. I probably have had more buckets of sludge in my office 
being treated with various things than any Member of Congress. 
I believe it is through this kind of effort and the congressional at- 
tention to this kind of effort that we will find the scientific break- 
through which will make sludge a productive commodity. 
Mr. Kartu. During the hearings at Sandy Hook, were any of the 
companies involved in this kind of process or a similar process heard 
as witnesses, according to your recollection ? 
Mr. Howarp. The hearings that we held merely confirm the fact 
that we do have to go into this kind of problem. As you read through 
the hearings, you will see that we just put on record the kind of prob- 
lem that we have. The scientists involved discussed what the sludge 
was doing to the area. We did not get to this next: important step. 
If we move it out, that is only a temporary, stopgap measure. The 
hearings which you have before you do not deal with this very im- 
portant aspect of the problem. 
Mr. Karr. Thank you very much. I want to thank the witness. I 
would like to suggest, however, that maybe it would be worth our while 
