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Mr. Dineen. Thank you very much, Mr. Howard. We are cer- 
tainly grateful to you for your very helpful testimony this morning. 
Mr. Howarp. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ; 
STATEMENT OF HON. GEORGE P. MILLER, A REPRESENTATIVE 
IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA 
Mr. Dinceiu. Our next witness is a very distinguished Member of 
this body, the chairman of the Committee on Science and Astronautics, 
a distinguished friend of the present occupant of the chair. The Chair 
might observe also a mentor of the present occupant of the chair. The 
Chair is proud to say the distinguished gentleman from California 
at one time was not only chairman of the Subcommittee on Oceano- 
graphy of this particular committee, but also the chairman of the 
Subcommittee on Fisheries and Wildlife Conservation. But for the 
very happy circumstance that he has moved on to the Committee on 
Science and Astronautics, he presently would be Eee the chair 
the gentleman from Michigan now occupies. 
It is a particular pleasure for me to welcome an old and valued 
and distinguished friend back to this committee for whatever testi- 
mony he wishes to present. The gentleman from California, our good 
friend, Mr. Miller. 
The Chair does observe with some sorrow that I am called to testify 
at 11:30 before the Government Operations Committee. I have asked 
my good friend and one of your subcommittee chairmen to preside in 
my absence. 
Mr. Mitier. I was in hopes you might remain for 5 minutes, be- 
cause I have no prepared testimony, and I am going to talk off the 
top of my head. 
You are talking of disposal of wastes off the coasts, gomg out 30 
miles. It was said it would be too far to go. 
If you are going to dispose of wastes off the coasts, you do not figure 
the horizontal distance out. You figure the depth of the ocean. Off 
the coast of New Jersey or New York or nearly anyplace off the east 
coast, the shelf goes out well over 30 miles. 
If you should go back and look at some testimony that was given 
to the Committee on Oceanography 12 or 14 years ago when the 
Atomic Energy Commission filed a report on the disposal of atomic 
wastes on the east coast and gulf coast, it would be quite illuminating, 
because this very problem came up. This waste was to be put into con- 
tainers. They were to have so much concrete around them. In this case 
they were to be deposited in at least 1,000 fathoms of water. You have 
to go well out beyond 30 miles to find 1 000 fathoms of water off the 
east coast. 
One fisherman fouled his net off the coast of New Jersey, and when 
he got it freed he found he had one of these containers in it. This is all 
in the record. ; 
Having had some experience, putting in 4 years as the executive 
officer of the California Division of Fish and Game, charged with 
pollution control, I thought I might understand the attitude of some 
