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very profitably, in the public interest, many of the members of the 
staff down there. You may recall Dr. Allen Vine testifying before us 
here on oceanographic problems. 
We have a somewhat similar microcosm of this national problem 
right in Falmouth, do we not, in Woods Hole Harbor ? 
‘Dr. Hunr. Yes. 
Mr. Kerra. Have they concluded what they should do with the sew- 
age outfall there ? 
Dr. Hunt. That problem has not been settled. 
Mr. Kerr. Here we have a community with all of the talent of 
Woods Hole right in its back yard, so to speak, and they have had a 
sewage outfall in the middle of Falmouth Harbor for probably 50 
years. 
Dr. Hunr. It has been a very long time. 
Mr. Kerr. Is the staff of Woods Hole Oceanographic united in 
their feeling as to what should be done with that outfall ? 
Dr. Hunt. Not completely united, no. 
Mr. Kerrn. Has judgment been made? 
Dr. Hun. As far as I know, they haven't settled the matter yet. 
The problem is that on any sewage outfall, it becomes irrevocably 
wound up with economics, and when people start having to pay out 
of their pockets, then they consider different methods. 
Mr. Kerri. As we explained to one of the witnesses this morning, 
there are costs with either approach. In New York Harbor, the cost of 
doing what Mr. Ottinger wanted would be most extensive. 
Dr. Hunv. I would like to mention one thing in connection with your 
statements. About 2 weeks ago the steamship + authority spilled a large 
amount of oil in the harbor, to add to the other things that cause a 
mess. We have a pipeline going out into the harbor which brings sea 
water in, which is used for marine animals used in experiments at the 
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Unfortunately, the water com- 
ing in is periodically so bad now that we have many fish kills right 1 in 
our own laboratories of experimental fish. We are facing a ‘serious 
problem of having to move our source of sea water somewhere else. 
Mr. Kerri. This is sort of like the shoemaker’s children, who go 
barefoot sometimes. I don’t know whether you are aware of the mes- 
sage that the President gave to us on April 15 of this year on the sub- 
ject of disposal of wastes in the Great Lakes and the oceans, I don’t 
believe that the study is going to be completed by the date, which is 
September 1970. They are going to study the effects of ocean pollution 
on the environment including “rates of spreading decomposition and 
so forth and the adequacy of all existing legislative authorities to 
control ocean dumping. What you g eentlemen are doing is building up 
the public interest so that when the support comes along, it will be 
very helpful to us in our efforts to expedite the action. I just wanted 
to show you that the executive branch is similarly very much con- 
cerned with this problem, and we are going to have an additional in- 
put to that which has been so generously offered by several of my col- 
leagues and their staffs and the scientific fraternity. 
T would be happy to meet with you following this meeting to discuss 
this matter in more depth. It is a subject about which you know a 
great deal and about which, even though I have been on this committee 
now for several years, I still have a lot to learn. 
