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Mr. Prniy. No doubt we will hear from the Chairman of the 
Council on Environmental Quality and at that time he will dicuss 
the matter of ocean dumping. 
Mr. Fascrti. That is right. Obviously if it is covered in their present. 
study there is no need to go any further. That was not my understand- 
ing, that there was any major or substantial study on the national 
policy of dumping in the water, and particularly with respect to 
international waters. 
Mr. Pruxiy. It may be a matter of just great minds thinking alike and 
working in the same direction. I hope that their study will be as com- 
plete as your legislation called for. 
Mr. Fascertx. It probably is, I might add. I just don’t know. I want 
to express it legislatively if necessary. 
Mr. Pretiy. We certainly have a very fine Council. They are top- 
notch people. They are obviously going to erform a very important 
function when they come in with recommendations on ocean dumping. 
Mr. Fascetu. I agree with the gentleman and I think it is important, 
because they will be setting national policy. 
Mr. Petry. Again I want to say I welcome you before this com- 
mittee. 
Mr. Fasceru. Thank you. 
Mr. Dineetx. Mr. Downing. 
Mr. Downtne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
The same adjectives I used for Mr. Rogers will apply to you. 
Mr. Fascetu. Thank you. 
Mr. Downtne. As usual your testimony interested me. 
What you say in fact about military waste is that man should not 
create something he cannot safely destroy. 
Mr. Fascets. The question I am asking is should that be our national 
policy and how do we implement it ? 
Mr. Downtne. I believe you will agree with me that this nation has 
to have a vibrant economy if we are to survive. Should there be some 
discussion as to the economic effects that drastic measures may 
prevent ? 
Mr. Fascexu. Absolutely. You cannot just ignore all of the factors. 
This is a complex society. There is no simple solution to probably any- 
thing. It would just be a mistake to ignore the economic consequences. 
For example, the problem of thermal pollution, was unheard of until 
we had nuclear electric generating plants. Now we have all kinds of 
lawsuits and decisions that have to be made, scientific studies, as to what. 
the actual effect is, and how to control it. In trying to meet this prob- 
lem as an individual, and as a Congressman, I try to adopt the bal- 
anced approach. I suggest, for example, to this administration that 
what we need to do, at least with power, if not everything—but this 
was related specifically to power—and I am using this as an illustra- 
tion of exactly the point you make—I suggested we have to take a 
look at our power needs in this country for the next 10 or 20 years. 
FPC is now doing that study. It is almost completed. Then some 
agency has to have the authority to evaluate the environmental impact 
and the economic impact, of producing that energy and thereafter co- 
ordinating the decisionmaking process so our society can live. 
You just cannot say you are going to close down all the plants. 
That would be ridiculous. 
