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Dr. Knauss. Which area would you like me to talk about first, 

 the university laboratories or the State managetneut systems? 



Mr. Downing. How mil you coordinate this? In my instance how 

 do you picture our work and that of VIMS and that of the university? 

 Would it be necessary to have a university? 



Dr. Knauss. The exanij^les of VIMS was strong in our minds 

 because it seems to me in some sense VIMS does represent a coastal 

 zone laboratory, at least many elements of such a lab. We feel probably 

 within every coastal State there should be a group interested in all 

 aspects of the problem of the coastal zone. 



We do not feel that these laboratories have to be necessarily con- 

 nected with one university but that several universities, as in the case 

 of VIMS, could be affiliated with the coastal zone laboratory. 



We are not necessarily thinking of starting up new laboratories. 

 For example, consider the situation in Mr. Lennon's State where 

 Duke, North Carolina State, and the University of North CaroHna, 

 are involved in marine efforts. One can imagine building upon one of 

 the existing laboratories in a way that all three of these institutions 

 would be somehow involved or affiliated. 



That is what we had in mind. We think the coastal zones are so 

 important that there should be perhaps within each coastal State 

 some such laborator}^, but we do not feel there has to be one laboratory 

 per university or per college. 



Mr. Downing. Would it be a reciuisite that the laboratory be tied 

 into the university? 



Dr. Knauss. We have not so stated but it is strongly implied. 



Mr. Downing. Who would designate the leadership in the coastal 

 zone? WoLild the State setup the administrative headquarters? 



Dr. Knauss. The States will have to pay a share of the cost of the 

 coastal zone laboratories, thus, I think they would have a strong say 

 in this. 



Mr. Downing. Some of your recommendations for legislation will 

 perhaps run into controversy. One that I see is to discontinue the 

 policy of preventing the use of foreign-built fishing vessels by American 

 fishermen. 



When you went into this did you also go into the impact this might 

 have on the American shipyards, the American fishermen, and 

 possible reduction of value of present fishing vessels and related 

 matters? 



Dr. Adams. I think we did, sir. The feeling of the Commission was 

 that the present means of trying to bet a more efficient fishing fleet 

 has not worked very well. The present subsidy program has been 

 more of a subsidy for the shipbuilders to continue their present way 

 of life than it has of the fishermen to adopt more efficient vessels. 



It was the Commission's feeling that the best way of getting around 

 this situation and developing a better fishing fleet was to permit 

 American fishing fleets to purchase their vessels and gear wherever 

 they want at the most competitive price. 



We felt the old act was an impediment and should be repealed. 



We did recognize this would cause some temporary turmoil in the 

 shipbuilding industry but we felt the long-range effect would be a 

 more efficient fleet and more efficient shipbuildmg industry. 



