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Mr. Downing. Now that that matter has been completely resolved, 

 I will go on to other questions, but I assure you somebody is going to 

 come back to it one of these days. But I think for the purposes of the 

 record it is well to have this further amplified. 



In your research did you find any other country in the world that has 

 a federally-oriented oceanography program going that you could use 

 for purposes of comparison ? 



Dr. Stratton. First, may I make a comment about the earlier 

 question ? 



You are quite right. These two are coupled. The environment we are 

 talking about is lower space, or inner space, and it can't be separated 

 from upper space. But the corresponding agencies of Grovernment are 

 set apart one from the other. We considered our proposal in rela- 

 tion to NASA. I have noted on other occasions that the Commission 

 was aware that the whole structure of the Federal Government is no 

 doubt under examination, or will be. What we are proposing does not 

 preclude any changes that might result. We have undertaken to identify 

 the existing agencies and functions which, if brought together, would 

 constitute a strong, logically coherent locus of effort. 



With regard to comparable Federal organization abroad, may I ask 

 Professor Knauss if he cares to comment on that, and Professor 

 Crutchfield, who is very familiar with the situation ? 



Dr. Knauss. We didn't, quite frankly, make a very thorough study 

 of how things are done in other countries, but at least on a cursory 

 basis you look at the larger nations who have major marine programs, 

 the U.S.S.R., Japan, the United Kingdom, and in no case do they have 

 anything which is quite comparable to what we are proposing but, 

 on the other hand, their governments are not also designed in a way 

 that is quite comparable to what we have in the United States, too, 

 so that I am not quite sure whether the fact that they do or do not 

 is particularly meaningful. Actually, there is nothing quite like what 

 we are proposing in other countries, so far as we can see. 



Dr. Stratton. Except there is a consolidated effort, undoubtedly, 

 in the Soviet Union. 



Mr. Crutchfield. I was going to comment, Mr. Chairman, that 

 even in the Soviet Union it has been reported, I think very reliably, 

 that the same kind of difficulty in divorcing land and sea resources 

 from agencies locking one to the sea and one to the land have arisen 

 and in fact the same problems of overlapping jurisdiction, the same 

 problems of inability to bring all necessary capacity to bear on prob- 

 lems exists in this country and in others. 



I think that we would iDrobably be safe in saying that the proposal 

 made by the Commission would be a real innovation as far as any of 

 the major oceanographic countries are concerned. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you, sir. 



I have one final question, if I may. 



I am ver}^ much interested in port development and the possibility 

 of legislation which would fund improvements for ports. In discuss- 

 ing it with counsel he suggested that this might possibly be within 

 your jurisdiction. Would that come within the NOAA ? 



Dr. Stratton. Yes, sir. Aspects of this problem and recommenda- 

 tions with regard to port construction did enter into it. 



Mr. Baird? 



Mr. Baird. Dr. Sullivan ? 



