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not concern me too much because the Department of Tran.s])ortation 

 is not the Department of Defense and their present housing does not 

 necessarily lend toward those few duties that they are performing in 

 Vietnam and doing very well. That does not concern me too much. 



What about now the National Advisory Committee? Do you think 

 it is well for us to go ahead and proceed with that until we decide 

 whether we are going the route of a governmental reorganization or 

 a legislative act? 



Dr. Stratton. That came out of your panel, I believe. 



Mr. Lennon. Will the gentleman yield at that point? 



Mr, Rogers. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. I think it should be made crystal clear that the motiva- 

 tion behind the unanimous judgment of the committee to extend the 

 life of the National Council for a period of 1 yesiv after July 1 I 

 believe, Mr. Rogers, was as a holding policymaking intergovernmental 

 related agency or council to coordinate all of the activities that were 

 involved and hopefully during that period of a year we could by 

 legislation or by executive reorganization plan implement this report. 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. I understand that. What I am saying is the ad- 

 AQSory committee that has been recommended which goes beyond the 

 governmental basis, should we think of moving on this without wait- 

 ing for a governmental reorganization plan ? 



Mr, Perry. Mr. Rogers, we felt that the i^ackage ought to be all sold 

 at once for this reason : That the National Advisory Committee on the 

 Oceans principal function or one of its principal functions was to 

 advise NOAA and the President and make a report to the public on 

 the success or failure of NOAA and if there is no NOAA there is really 

 no point in getting all steamed up about it. It would be difficult for 

 the Council to serve that function because the Council is made up of 

 government members and the National Advisory Committee on the 

 ocean would have very much the same functions as the original NACA 

 in which you get a transfer of information from industry to advise 

 NOAA, on where industry is capable of helping it. The two are really 

 knit very closely together and we feel should be passed at one time. 



Mr. Rogers (presiding). Thank you very much. 

 • I commend the Commission, each of you, for the excellent job. It 

 has been most helpful. I hope that you will help us and I am sure you 

 will and mobilize some opinion for action now. This is what I want to 

 see. 



Mr. Keith? 



Mr. Keith. Thank you, I must apologize, Mr. Chairman, for leav- 

 ing the committee rostrum and going down to ask a question. I wanted 

 a little background on a question which I am going to ask. As we try 

 to develop national programs that reveal the secrets of the ocean and 

 the atmosphere and space, we are going to have a hard time allocating 

 resources to develop these other resources both in manpower and 

 materiel. 



I noted that you elaborated, in answer to an earlier question that 

 was asked as to what other countries have done. Have they established 

 such an agency as we contemplate ? And the answer was generally in 

 the negative. 



Yoir pointed that Russia had done something similar. Mr. Rogers 

 and I went to Russia and highlighted in our report some of their prog- 

 ress in this field which besides being scientific and technical was also 



