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have the capability of seeing ocean inversions or upwellings which, 

 of course, bring up much food which again attracts fish. 



So I make this statement for tlie record and hope NASA reads it, 

 for whatever information comes about, through the earth resources 

 satellite, that that information must be transferred to NOAA without 

 any parochial bureaucracy being involved. 



Mr. MosiiER. Would the gentleman yield ? 



'Mr. Karth. I yield. 



Mr. MosHER. I hope you agree that there would be tremendous op- 

 portunities for interaction between NOAA and NASA for a great deal 

 of transfer of technology in the aerospace field to the oceans and ulti- 

 mately in the other direction ? 



Mr. Lennon. Would the gentleman let me make this statement 

 off the record ? 



(Discussion off the record.) 



Mr. Karth. I recognize that. Keally I think there should be this in- 

 teragency relationship in a very cordial and informative exchange. I 

 see no reason why we should have any problem. 



Dr. Stratton. None whatsoever. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Karth. 



The gentleman from California. 



Mr. Leggett. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



I want to congratulate you, too, Dr. Stratton, for your outstanding 

 qualifications first of all, which are rather obvious, and also the report 

 that you have made. 



Our chairman has instructed us all to become thoroughly familiar 

 with our Nation's sea. I am glad he didn't test me on it this morning, 

 but I have had a chance to review some of your lengthy recommenda- 

 tions and it appears that you go from the very particular to some rather 

 large generalities. 



I am one of these vague proponents of an exploration of the sea 

 much like we explore space and when you make your proposal, I keep 

 trying to think back how does this compare to NASA and is it exactly 

 the same thing? 



Now, from what has been said in these questions, which have been 

 asked and answered this morning, it appears that your primary aim 

 is at a consolidation of four existing agencies or parts of agencies in 

 your organization called NOAA and in the budget analysis that it 

 indicated that in the first 5 years this would have an annual budget 

 of about $640 or $650 million. 



Let me ask you this : What do you envision as far as absorption of 

 total manpower? You are going to take 31,000 enlisted men in tlie 

 Coast Guard, 5,000 officers, and what are the other agencies involved as 

 far as personnel goes ? 



Dr. Stratton, May I ask Dr. Lawrence ? 



Dr. Lawrence. The Environmental Science Services Administra- 

 tion has, I believe, something in the order of 10,000, The Bureau of 

 Commercial Fisheries is in the order of 3,500. Those three are the 

 major contributors of personnel, although such programs as the na- 

 tional sea grant program have substantial funding. 



Mr, Leggett, How about the lake survey of the Corps of Engineers? 



Dr, Lawrence, I think they are in the order of 500 or 600, sir, 



Dr, STitiVTTox. It is relatively small. 



