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Mr. Leggett. Why didn't you include river surveys, too? Is th^t 

 an identifiable segment of tlie Corps of Engineers, the lake section? 



Dr. Lawrence. The lake survey does do certain surveys on ri^-ers 

 which feed into the Great Lakes system. 



My understanding is that that is the limit of their responsibility. 

 The Mississippi Kiver is serviced by another organization, and it was 

 not felt that that was a necessary component of the total ocean pro- 

 gram, that there was no need to go beyond what was essential in order 

 to establish the ocean program. 



Mr. Leggett. Now, the Environmental Science section have 10,000 

 personnel. I assume that that is primarily our meteorological capa- 

 bility in the country? 



Dr. Lawrence. The majority of the ESS A personnel, I believe, are 

 in the Weather Bureau, yes. sir, but some fairly substantial number 

 of those personnel, on the order of 300 or 400, are in research programs 

 which would be quite closely associated with the oceanic research 

 programs concerned with fluicl dynamics, with the conductive processes 

 which have a feedback relationship to ocean processes. 



I^Ir. Leggett. What percentage of the Weather Bureau's activities 

 would be associated with land and what percentage would be associ- 

 ated with water ? 



Dr. Lawrence. This is very hard to say because weather, after all, 

 is a global phenomenon. Most of the weather is made over the water, 

 the west coast weather particularly. You are from California and are 

 aware of the need to have some capability to observe what is hap- 

 pening in the Pacific to have a forecast capability. 



I belie^'e the west coast accuracy is below that of the other areas of 

 the country because we don't have the capability on the ocean as we 

 have on the land. 



Similarly on the east Georges Bank and others. So you really can't 

 say in terms of where the weather comes from what proportion of the 

 weather activity is land versus sea oriented. People live on land but 

 they go out into the ocean and the Weather Bureau does ha-\'e marine 

 forecast activities. 



Mr. Leggett. What is the total dollar cost of these agencies at the 

 present time and what would be the cost under the consolidated agency 

 a=; far as forecast? 



Dr. Lawrence. My recollection was that the 1969 budget proposed 

 bv the President was $800 million for the components which would be 

 1^rouo-ht into NOAA. Budget projections were developed by the Com- 

 mission, although there are a number of assumptions that one has to 

 understand, to understand the figure. But the outcome was that the 

 program would esesntially double over 10 years. 



^ir. Leggett. At the outset the cost would be the same, is that right? 



Dr. Lawrence. The first year presumably it would be the composite 

 of the agencies brought together plus such additional activity as maybe 

 initiated under new legislation. 



Mr. Leggett. Now you don't bring under the agency the Maritime 

 Administration, do you ? 



Dr. Lawrence. No, sir. 



Mr. Leggett. It would seem to me that the Maritime Administra- 

 tion, ignoring the politics for a minute and the other jurisdictional 

 aspects, would be more akin to oceanographic development than would 

 meteorology. 



