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He makes the point that — 



One cannot separate the atmosphere from the oceans or both from the land and 

 reasonably expect to obtain the necessary information to enable our nation to 

 utilize advantageously, in a continuing manner, our natural resources. 



He says: 



The coupled system cannot be separated into parts. Studies of the Continental 

 Shelf cannot be interpreted without a consideration of the complete air, land 

 and sea system. 



He goes on to say : 



The Commission proposal is to remove certain bits and pieces from various 

 existing departments. Those bits and pieces are supposedly the largest civilian 

 marine oriented groups in the Federal Government. They would be placed in an 

 agency reporting directly to the President. This would eliminate any higher eche- 

 lon of management which is concerned with the total environment. 



Chaos, he says, would result. 



This morning in another chamber Mr. Dingell is presiding over a fish 

 and wildlife subcommittee in which they are hearing from Dr. Marga- 

 ret Mead and Mr. Stuart Udall. Their testimony concerns a select 

 committee on the environment which would relate land, sea and air, 

 and this in a way is a rival approach to the one we are considering. 



Now, I appreciate the fact that this is a rather broad subject, but per- 

 haps you would like to comment on this other proposal. 



Mr. ANDERSOisr. Well, I have not had an opportunity to peruse the 

 entire statement by Professor Bauer but I have just been furnished a 

 copy and, in view of the fact that he apparently does not agree with one 

 of the fundamental conclusions of the Stratton Commission with which 

 I agree, I will certainly read it. 



I am afraid that I "do disagree. I note one statement that he makes 

 on page 2. He has the analogy that if you carried this to the logical 

 conclusion : 



A group of enthusiasts, say, concerned with cancer research would want a 

 separate agency reporting directly to the President concerning their problems. 



I don't think that you can make that kind of a comparison with the 

 problems to which this agency would address itself and I don't under- 

 stand the statement you made about separating the sea from the en- 

 vironment because this agency that has been recommended by the 

 Stratton Commission would concern itself not only with the oceans but 

 with the atmosphere as well and the interrelation of the two. 



Mr. Keith. He is also thinking of the sediments that flow from the 

 Continent to the Shelf, and the relationship of the land to the sea. 



Mr. Anderson. I tried incidentally in my statement not to be com- 

 pletely dogmatic. 



Mr. Lennon. Would the gentleman yield to me at this point ? 



Until such time as this witness has had an opportunity to read or to 

 at least hear the statement of the witness who is to follow him, 1 doubt 

 not the propriety but the basis for the gentleman's real reflection and 

 thought until he has sufficient time to consider. 



I am reminded of what the gentleman says on page 2 in the bottom 

 paragraph, "I think it is signiflcant to note that the Commission has 

 chosen not to adopt a wholesale consolidation . . ." and I will let you 

 gentlemen read it from there on. 



