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and reclamation. Citizens could reasonably expect their state governments to es- 

 tablish similar environmental boards or commissions. At this writing, Colorado is 

 reestablishing its geological survey, and at the same time Vermont is consider- 

 ing making its geological survey a part of the highway department. State geo- 

 logical surveys should be the foundation on which the state environmental func- 

 tions are built : they should not he reduced to an agency for recommendations on 

 roadbed stability. 



The need for strong Federal leadership, at Cabinet level, in the protection of 

 our habitat is immediate. A Department of Environmental Sciences could pro- 

 vide an answer. — Ross L. Shipmcm. 



Captain Bauer. In conclusion, I should like to say that one cannot 

 legislate ability, drive, or foresight. One can only pray that future 

 administrators will always be better than their forebears. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



The appendices are attached and I shall be very glad to try to 

 answer questions. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Captain Bauer, for again an interesting, 

 informative, challenging, and thought provocative statement. 



Let me ask you, Captain, as to the editorial that you referred to. Do 

 you have a copy of it here for the purpose of furnishing it to the 

 Reporter ? 



Captain Bauer. Yes, sir, and I think each of the committee has 

 copies. 



Mr. Lennon. The gentleman from Massachusetts. 



Mr. Keith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Captain Bauer, as usual you have given the committee the benefit 

 of your years of experience in these fields. We have great respect for 

 all your contributions to our knowledge in the field of oceanography 

 and other environmental sciences. 



If we were to set up this new Department of the Environmental 

 Sciences which you recommend, and abolish ESSA, that would really 

 run contrary to a policy which we adopted as a Congress when we 

 established ESSA. 



Captain Bauer. May I point out to the gentleman from Massachu- 

 setts that ESSA was established under the Reorganization Act by the 

 President. There were no objections from the Congress. The Congress 

 did not act except by omission either affirmatively or negatively in the 

 creation of ESSA. 



Mr. Keith. I realize it was done under the Reorganization Act and 

 that is the approach that we expect may be used in implementing the 

 Marine Resources Commission's recommendations. The Congress does 

 have the right and responsibility if it does not concur to voice its 

 objections and make its observations. ESSA has made, it seems to me, 

 a great impact on the scientific community, particularly as it relates to 

 oceanography and the atmosphere. 



From a practical point of view I think the course that you suggest 

 is almost as difficult as that which faces us in acting on the recommen- 

 dations of the Conmiission. I would be interested in your observations 

 on that comment of mine. 



Captain Bauer. If one looks at the Commission's report I think the 

 recommendations are fine if you just leave out that NO A A does it. 

 There are existing agencies and many of them, of course, need 

 coordination. 



