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Now NOAA without that pressure will he dormant or the Bureau 

 of Interior or the liureau of Natural Resources. The pressure from this 

 subcommittee has been great. The pressure from the National Council 

 has been great. 



P^or example, the satellite sensing program of the Navy and the 

 Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, NASA and the Geological Survey is 

 fantastic. When you can by aircraft flights determine where the tuna 

 are going to be in the Pacific, I think that is a great accomplishment. 

 Does that answer your question, sir ? 



Mr. Downing. I suppose then the answer to my question would 

 generally be that you think the status quo is generally all right? 



Captain Bauer. I think the organizational situation needs to be 

 changed to have the total environment in one spot and it is my recom- 

 mendation that it should be the Department of the Interior. 



If you want to have a successful program, you have to take out 

 everything that concerns the land and sea and atmosphere and put it in 

 NOAA. You cannot divide it. 



Mr. Downing. You don't see any benefit to be derived from creation 

 of one single agency to drive forward and exploit this new frontier ? 



Captain Bauer. In the total environment you mean ? You can't sep- 

 arate them, sir. 



Might I point out that if you remember, Mr. Downing, some years 

 ago we had hearings on the Northeast storm and at that time the 

 Weather Bureau came to a joint hearing with the Navy. Dr. Reichel- 

 derf er was the coordinator of the hearings. We heard testimony to the 

 effect that a strong low pressure area had been for 5 days some 400 

 miles off the Atlantic coast and no one knew anything about it. I asked 

 Dr. Richelderfer in those hearings, "Don't we have aircraft flying 

 over that route ? Don't we have ships going through there ?" 



And the answer was, "Yes." 



So that the source of information was there and the airlines knew 

 it and the Navy knew it but the Weather Bureau didn't until it hit 

 the beach. 



Now, since then the Weather Bureau has become much more ocean 

 minded and when Dr. Holloman was Assistant Secretary of Commerce 

 for Science and Technology in the Department of Commerce he per- 

 suaded the President to form ESSA. 



There is a feeling which has been apparent to me for some time that 

 the Weather Bureau never has liked to take information obtained by 

 the Navy, although they get all of the marine information in parallel 

 at Suitland as well as at Monterey. 



They_ have had the information. They do not have the capability 

 in marine forecasting anywhere near comparable to the U.S. Navy. 

 This is just the way it has grown. I am all for a civilian agency having 

 the capability, but on the other hand, if the Navy has it and it is not 

 classified, why duplicate the entire forecasting arrangement ? 



Mr. Downing. Don't I see some similarity between this effort and 

 the space effort in the late 1950's where everybody was enthralled with 

 this idea of exploiting space but there was no real national effort until 

 President Kennedy decided that was one of the national goals of this 

 country and created NASA with that goal to pursue and we did it and 

 we are successful ? 



