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Don't you think the same thing could happen with inner space ? 



Captain Bauer. I concur that it should happen and that is why my 

 recommendations to strengthen the Department of the Interior are 

 made. 



Mr. Downing. But your recommendations just diversify more in 

 my opinion. Let me look at them here. You say the Coast Guard should 

 not be removed from the Department of Transportation but that some 

 inner organization within the Coast Guard should have a part of this 

 responsibility. 



Captain Bauer. I feel that experts, not scientists, should be ship 

 operators. 



Mr. Downing. Those ships could carry scientists. 



Captain Bauer. Oh, yes. They would. 



Mr. Downing. Scientists are not necessarily ship operators and you 

 have to have both. 



Captain Bauer. I agree. That is why I should like to see the respon- 

 sibility placed in the Coast Guard as it is in the MlSTS in the Navy. 



Mr. Downing. Then you say that the Department of Interior should 

 be strengthened by putting certain functions in that agency and you 

 would abolish ESS'A "and its radio propagation functions transferred 

 elsewhere." 



It seems to me that you have to be of the opinion that basically the 

 way we are going now is satisfactory. 



Captain Bauer. No, I don't think so by any manner of means. That 

 is why I made my recommendations about strengthening the Depart- 

 ment of the Interior. 



For example, the Alaska power thing should go to the Federal Power 

 Commission. Probably the Bureau of Indian Affairs should go else- 

 where. The Department should be a depai'tment of the total environ- 

 ment and may I point out 



Mr. Lennon. Would you yield to me at that point ? That statement 

 intrigues me, Captain Bauer. Most of us laymen relate the Department 

 of the Interior to the landmass in its general jurisdiction generally 

 speaking except as related to the leasings of oil leases off the Continen- 

 tal Shelf. 



How is the Department of the Interior now involved in the basic 

 environmental sciences ? 



Captain Bauer. Through the Geological Survey. In appendix 2 are 

 the descriptions of the projects now existing in marine geology which 

 do not exist in ESSA. 



Mr. Lennon. So when you speak of ESS A you summed that up by 

 saying it just isn't doing anything except one thin^. You mentioned one 

 thing, and you say the radio propagation function should be trans- 

 ferred elsewhere ; but you infer that ESSA has no capability whatever 

 except in the field of radio propagation. 



Is that the substance of what you say ? 



Captain Bauer. No, no. 



Mr. Lennon. You say it should be abolished. 



Captain Bauer. That is true. After the transfer of the Weather 

 Bureau and the Coast and Geodetic Survey to the Department of the 

 Interior, ESSA would be left with only the radio propagation function 

 which certainly is not of the marine environment I should say. It has 

 to do with the troposphere. 



Mr. Schadeberg. Will the gentleman yield ? 



