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Mr. ScHADEBERG. I too, waiit to thank you for being here. I think 

 this will be very helpful when we reach our later hearings. 



Is it your opinion that the creation of NOAA then would slow down 

 research or that it would be less capable of success than if these were 

 put under the Department of the Interior ? 



Captain Bauer. Very definitely, sir, because of the following rea- 

 sons: we already have an outstanding program going ahead in the 

 Bureau of Commercial Fisheries with respect to the various matters 

 that I mentioned already this morning, the space program, combined 

 with the Navy, their capability of forecasting where a fish will be com- 

 bined with the Navy's system. 



If you take the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries and put it into 

 another agency, you will not necessarily increase their capability. They 

 are extremely capable. They are held up by funding budgetwise and 

 also the inertia that goes with any department structure in time. 



So if we have a continuation of the Council and this subcommittee 

 keeps its jurisdiction to continually prod the various components, I 

 see no difficulty. I think that Ave are making marked progress. The 

 whole question of geological mapping is being done now, as shown in 

 appendix 1, by the Geological Survey. This has been suggested for 

 over 10 years by this committee and nothing was done about it, but now 

 it is since the Council was created. So I think we are making great 

 progress. 



Mr. Schadeberg. Could not these various agencies cooperate or co- 

 ordinate their activities with NOAA as well as with the Department 

 of the Interior and the Department of Interior also cooperate with a 

 new agency? 



Captain Bauer. I should hope for coordination but I am very much 

 concerned about the situation with respect to the Coast and Geodetic 

 Survey part of E.S.S.A. Over 10 years ago they started doing a geo- 

 physical survey between the Aleutians and Hawaii. 



The Navy tried 2 years ago to get the information for military pur- 

 poses and the Coast Survey finally agreed to let them have it if they 

 regarded it as confidential because the Coast Survey wanted to publish 

 it first. 



Now, 10 years after the observations were taken, the data have not 

 been published yet. So I would hate to see a new organization started 

 with that kind of a record as the base. That is not so with the Geological 

 Survey. It is not so with the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries and it 

 is not so with the U.S. Navy. 



Mr. Schadeberg. I want to thank the gentleman for being here and 

 I hope he comes back because I think after being able to assimilate 

 some of this information, and coordinate our own information, it would 

 be helpful to address some further questions to him. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you. 



Mr. Karth. 



Mr. Karth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree with my colleague, 

 Mr. Schadeberg, that it is very difficult to evaluate your testimony in 

 just the few moments that we have, and some day I want more time, 

 Mr. Chairman, to take a look at it. _ _ 



One thing does come to mind immediately and that is the whole 

 question of the degree of interest that an agency that has been with us 

 for a long time, has evidenced in the past in the subject matter that we 

 are talking about now, oceanology or oceanography. 



