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professionalism out of which we inherited tunnel vision and we also 

 have wells of activity in science research and application that do not 

 always properly interrelate. 



Now, if I understand your testimony correctly, you are asking us 

 now to look at this thing from an entirely different perspective. You 

 speak in terms not of specific knowledge, but of relational knowledge. 

 You talk about the ecology and interface. 



I think you are right. I think we are at the point in which there are 

 more things falling in the cracks than are really being accomplished 

 in these tunnels or in these wells. 



Is there not something of that in what you have been telling us ? 



Captain Bauer. Yes, sir. There definitely is. 



I would have no objection if you want to take all of the total environ- 

 ment functions out of the Department of the Interior and combine 

 them, but my point is that the total environment must be considered. 



Just look at your estuaries, for example. The shrimp that we catch 

 in the deep sea are bred in the marshes of Louisiana. From the marshes 

 of Louisiana, through the rivers of the United States, from the land, 

 DDT comes and hits the shrimp, affects their growth and kills them, 

 and produces a potential poison to men. 



You cannot split up the total environment. That is my point. 



Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Hanna. I think you are right. An over-simplification would be 

 that the three environments are something like steam and water and 

 ice, and the distinction is simply in the sj)ace between the atoms, and 

 you don't find any different kind of chemical constituency in any one 

 of these environments. 



You are talking about nitrogen and oxygen and the various other 

 elements, are you not ? 



Captain Bauer. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Hanna. And you are right as to the fact that what happens on 

 the one may be through some particular phenomenon at the interface, 

 but it does not stop. It is a continuing interaction, is it not ? 



Captain Bauer. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Hanna. I agree with you that it does not make any difference 

 what we call it. I think that for the next 30 years, from 1970 to the 

 year 2000 the single largest consideration for the Congress is going to 

 be the quality of environment. I think every place you look, it is 

 brought to our attention. 



I think what you are saying is that there ought to be one place where 

 there is general responsibility and continuing management. Is that not 

 what you mean ? 



Captain Bauer. That is correct, sir. That is my entire approach. 



Mr. Hanna. Then I think that my colleague from Michigan hit it 

 when he talked about specific mission, because as I see NASA, NASA 

 makes sense, because it is mission-oriented, and I don't see any reason 

 why we could not have a mission-oriented agency in the sea, as long as 

 there was back behind that an agency of general responsibility and 

 continuous management that would take anything developed by the 

 specific mission and give it general application, and would continue 

 the management of it long after the mission had served its i)urpose. 



Do you see any conflict in this concept ? 



