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we will give them just the information that you have indicated, and 

 request their views. 



Mr. Lennon, I appreciate that, and I would like that to be done by 

 all the members of the subcommittee, to first, No. 1, determine if your 

 State, whether a coastal or inland State, has a marine council at the 

 State level, and if so, I would like for them to get involved in this 

 with respect to this report, in making recommendations. 



I have asked the Marine Council in my State, created 2 years ago, 

 the executive director and the members, to meet and give us their views. 



On page 6 of your statement, Captain Bauer, you give your reasons, 

 or alternatives, to the recommendation of the Commission with regard 

 to the recommendation of the establishment of NOAA. No. 1 : 



The Coast Guard should not be removed from the Department of Transporta- 

 tion. 



There were many people who did not believe it should be removed 

 from the Department of the Treasury. I remember we had a vote on 

 the floor on that question. You go on to say that : 



Serious consideration should be given to creating in the Coast Guard the re- 

 sponsibility of the operation and maintenance of all vessels ow^ned and operated 

 by the Federal Government. 



You relate that to your proposal to abolish ESSA, because ESSA 

 maintains and operates some 20 oceanographic vessels today, don't 

 they? 



Captain Bauer. I think of the large vessels and the small vessels 

 included, that is probably correct, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. If you abolished ESSA, and you take all of their ves- 

 sels, of course if you abolish it, regardless of the size, and you say those 

 above a certain size you turn over to the Coast Guard, what would you 

 do with the others ? Turn them over to the Department of the Interior ? 



Captain Bauer. No. Each agency in the Government of necessity 

 must have small vessels. By that I mean shallow water craft type up 

 to 50 or 60 feet. I am talking about the oceanographic vessels that go 

 from 1,000 tons up, or 700 tons up. 



Mr. Lennon. But that intrigues me, because you say the Coast Guard 

 is a uniformed service, and you do know, as we all know, that the Coast 

 Guard has a number of oceanographic vessels. Should they continue 

 to be involved in oceanography ? 



'Captain Bauer. Oh, yes, no reason why not. As a matter of fact, I 

 think ultimately I would like to see the Coast Guard take over the 

 Arctic operations. 



Certainly they have a capability for the Antarctic that is great._ They 

 have all the icebreakers now, which was a result of the suggestion of 

 this committee, as you remember. 



They have done a remarkable job in the field of oceanography. As 

 a matter of fact, the counsel and I drafted the bill putting them in 

 the oceanographic business without restriction as they should be. They 

 have been in the oceanographic business since the creation of the In- 

 ternational Ice Patrol Treaty. As a matter of fact, the Coast Guard has 

 many accomplishments in oceanograph. 



For example, they were the first to use the conductivity bridge for 

 the measurement of salinity. At that time, they were operating in space 

 adjacent to the Woods Hole Oceanographic Laboratory. 



