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organization of a cooperative agreement between the Virginia Fisher- 

 ies Research Laboratory, the Maryland Research Laboratory at Solo- 

 mon's Island, and the Chesapeake Institute. They have agreed jointly 

 to conduct a coordinated survey of the Chesapeake Bay. This has been 

 going on now for some 4 years, and results are showing up. 



There is everything to be said for State cooperation as well as na- 

 tional cooperation. 



I just wanted to mention that, sir. 



Mr. Kaeth. Will the gentleman yield ? 



Mr. Lennoist. Go ahead. 



Mr. Kaeth. Captain Bauer, to make my position perfectly clear, I 

 think your suggestion that we study the total ecology, because there 

 are relationships and interrelationships between everything, land, sea, 

 air, and so on, is a great recommendation. 



Don't misunderstand me. I think it is good, and I think we ought to 

 study it, but really, the purpose for which the Commission was estab- 

 lished was not to do that. 



What we are interested in doing now is trying to get a mission-ori- 

 ented program going in the field of marine science and oceanography. 



A study of the kind that I think you and I are, at this moment talk- 

 ing about, will undoubtedly take years and years. It is not an easy 

 subject matter, and I suppose there are many people who will disagree 

 with whatever conclusions are drawn, for special interest purposes as 

 well as for other reasons. 



Nonetheless, as I see it, this Commission report and the objective 

 of the Congress at this point, Mr. Chairman, is to have some kind 

 of a mission-oriented research program going on to develop the oceans 

 to a point where it can become much more useful to mankind than it 

 presently is. These are mission-oriented programs that we are talking 

 about. 



I think only by doing what has been recommended, can we get some 

 mission-oriented programs started to do the basic and applied research 

 that is necessary in the whole field of trying to make the oceans more 

 productive and meet man's needs here on earth. 



I don't disagree with the witness at all, Mr. Chairman, but I think 

 that is a completely different and separate proposition that he raises. 

 Certainly it ought to be done, and how we go about establishing a situ- 

 ation so that it can be done, that is another matter, that I think requires 

 other legislation. 



Mr. Lennon. Counsel has a question to ask an old friend. 



Mr. Drewrt. It is more an observation. Captain Bauer, than a 

 question. 



No matter how we work on this, we are groping with the problem 

 of the high echelon management, which is concerned with the total 

 environment. In the United States, there is only one man, and that 

 is the President. 



Captain Bauer. That is correct. 



Mr. Drewry. As we have discussed many times before, the only solu- 

 tion to the management of the total environment would be to have a 

 one-department Government, and one committee of Congress, and 

 one President. And, of course, that it out of the question, as a practical 

 matter. 



