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This concept has to transcend many traditional lines. It has to tran- 

 scend the concept of State management. For example, there is nothing 

 that can be done constructively in the Chesapeake Bay unless first Vir- 

 ginia and Maryland agree to work together, but much beyond that 

 unless the States that occupy the drainage basin of the Chesapeake Bay 

 can involve themselves to protect the interests of the estuary. 



So you get into regional concepts and you get into different elements, 

 atmosphere, water, land management, erosion, flood control, pollution, 

 waste management, and all the rest. 



My only hope is that in the development of an ocean science oriented 

 and action agency we keep in mind that what we are doing is perfect- 

 ing one system, which, in time, will take its place in a total concept. 



Mr. Hanna. I am delighted to hear the gentleman stress that, that 

 this is the concept that we have to keep in mind, because I agree with 

 you 100 percent and I think that this is what realistically we should 

 set out now to do. 



I think that the Chairman of this committee has provided the kind 

 of leadership that is going to help us perfect this particular unit, but, 

 also, I think we need to reemphasize, Mr. Chairman, and reexpress our 

 total goal which would be some kind of an environmental management. 



Mr. Pollock, Would the gentleman yield ? 



Mr. Hanna. Yes. 



Mr. Pollock. Notwithstanding your opening remarks, I am de- 

 lighted to see that you do see eye to eye with the witness. 



Mr. Hanna. Physically because he is G'O" and I am 5'4'' it is im- 

 possible, but ideologically it is quite often the case. 



Mr. Lenn-on. The gentleman from Massachusetts. 



Mr. Keith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



It is good to have you back here. I am only sorry that instead of 

 going to Ways and Means you did not choose Appropriations. 



Mr. Morton. I did not know the choice was open. 



Mr. Keith. I do not know that it was, but I would assume, from 

 your past success in achieving political objectives, that had that been 

 your choice you could have arranged it. 



Mr. MoRTON". I do not know. I have always felt, Mr. Keith, although 

 I appreciate your remarks, that before there is spending there should 

 he revenue. Maybe this is a philosophy that only you and I share. 



Mr. Keith. Hopefully, the revenue will flow, particularly if we 

 learn how to capitalize our indebtedness, as you outlined m your 

 hrochure here. You capitalized it over a 50-year period and talked 

 about breaking it down into bits and pieces. 



I am particularly interested in this system's approach and I am 

 interested in this big bite that you have undertaken in the Chesa- 

 peake area. 



I note a parallel interest not only in the members of this committee 

 but in our districts. Kepresenting as I do most of the Caipe Cod Bay 

 area and similarly the Buzzards Bay area, I am hopeful that this 

 marine resources commission report will give us guidance that will be 

 applicable within States as well as among them. 



I am very glad to have your observations and comments and hope 

 we will have a chance to make them a reality. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Keith. 



The gentleman from Alaska. 



