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turing of that organization will come out of the recommendations of 

 tliis Council. 



I would also like to put in a plea that we address ourselves to the 

 same problem in the Congress. It seems to me we think too much in 

 terms of congressional reform in other areas, areas that involve the 

 system rather than the total congressional approach to problems. I 

 think we are split apart in the Congress on this whole question of 

 environmental management, we perhaps should come together in the 

 way we did in the field of atomic energy and in the field of economic 

 matters. 



Mr. MosHER. I would suggest that by reorganization in the executive 

 agencies, the new coordination there inevitably will require reorga- 

 nization and coordination of the jurisdictions of congressional com- 

 mittees, exactly the goal you mention. 



Mr. Morton". It is somewhat of a difficult thing to achieve, though. 



Mr. MosHEE. I know. 



Mr. MoRTOisr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. MosHER. It ain't easy, to use a phrase. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Mosher. 



I think that I stated yesterday here, Mr. Mosher, that the present 

 National Council on Science and Technology has been mandated to 

 make a study in depth of the Commission's report and to, in turn, 

 make their recommendations to the chief executive. We got that assur- 

 ance from Dr. Wenk some 2% weeks ago, and yesterday I received a 

 communication, a note, from Dr. Wenk to the effect that he would be 

 prepared, he and the other members of the Council, to appear before 

 this subcommittee by mid- June on the subject matter with respect to 

 their position, and l" assume that it will reflect the executive's position. 



Congressman, we thank you so much for your attendance and your 

 continued interest in our x^roblems. 



Mr. Morton. Thank you. 



Mr. Lennox. Our next witness, gentlemen, has been announced. 



If you will come forward — Dr. Chalmer Kirkbride, vice president 

 of the National Security Industrial Association. 



While we try to save printing costs, in order that the members of 

 this committee may know the background of Dr. Kirkbride, and those 

 people who may read this record, I ask unanimous consent to have in- 

 serted in the record just prior to his statement a brief biographical 

 sketch, or resume, of the activities of Dr. Kirkbride. 



(The biographical sketch referred to follows :) 



Chalmee G(atliw) Kirkbride 



Present occupation : Vice President, Research and Engineering, and Director ; 

 Member, Sunoco Operating Committee Sun Oil Company, 1608 Walnut Street, 

 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103. 



Business address : Sun Oil Company, 1608 Walnut Street, Philadelphia; Penn- 

 sylvania 19103. 



Residence address : 13 Elk Forest Road, R.D. 2, Elkton, Maryland 21921. 



Birthplace, date of birth : Tyrone, Oklahoma, December 27, 1906. 



Marriage : Billie Skains Kirkbride, April 13, 1939. 



Children : Chalmer Gatlin Kirkbride, Jr., January 19, 1940. 



Degrees, honors and awards: University of Michigan, B.S.E. and M.S.E., Chem- 

 ical Engineering, 1930; Honorary Sc.D., Beaver College, Pennsylvania, June, 

 1959 ; Honorary Eng.D., Dresel Institute of Technology, Pennsylvania, June, 1960 ; 

 Professional Progress Award, American Institute of Chemical Engineers, 1951 ; 



