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Mr. Pollock. I use every opportunity as I ^'o to different parts of 

 the country to talk about this area because it is one that is near and 

 dear to my heart. I have to give you fair warnin<»; now that I will be 

 plagiarizing your good report. I think it is excellent. 



Dr. KiRKBRiDE. I would be flattered. 



Mr. Pollock. As I read through this and listen to your testimony, 

 and I suppose every person who has come to testify before the com- 

 mittee, and certainly the members of the committee share this, I try 

 to find the ways that implement the Commission's recommendations. 

 We can see what needs to be done, and I think you heard Congress- 

 man Rogers Morton earlier talking in the area of how we bring this 

 about. I think we have an excellent study and I think it is time we 

 get on with the job, and any contributions that you or anyone else 

 can make toward helping us find the right solution to implement this 

 thing will be most welcome and I think most rewarding. I happen 

 to be a private enterprise enthusiast, and I like your approach and 

 I think particularly your report ought to be shown to the President. 

 I think it is very, very fine. 



Dr. KiKKBRiDE. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Pollock. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon". The gentleman from Florida, Mr. Frey. 



Mr. Feet. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



I also would like to say I agree with my colleagues on this and 

 certainly our approach to it. 



I did want to make one comment about the space program, as an- 

 other member of the committee. I am sure you did not want to in 

 any way slight the tremendous spinoff we have had from the space 

 program. And I am sure you are aware of the spinoff that is helping 

 oceanography and really it is pretty hard to separate. 



Dr. KiEKBRiDE. I certainly agree with you there. I think this is 

 true of any research and development you do. I have been in research 

 and development for 39 years now and, frankly, I see this all the 

 time, that you start out to work on a certain problem and you get 

 certain scientific information that doesn't apply to that problem par- 

 ticularly but applies to another problem; and this is the important 

 finding that you have been able to achieve. This has taken place 

 throughout our space program. 



I didn't intend to slight that in any way. 



Mr. Fret. I am sure you didn't. I just wanted to point that out for 

 the record. 



There is one other question on this line of reasoning that has in- 

 terested me and it has bothered me as I see such an interrelationship 

 between the various sciences and between the work of the ^\arious 

 committees. Under the proposed council setup, does it appear to you 

 that it will be an adequate means of collecting tliis various data not 

 just from the field directly related to oceanography, but from related 

 fields. 



Dr. KiRKBRiDE. I certainly am not an expert in bureaucratic or- 

 ganization. 



Mr. Fret. Good. Then I would like your answer. 



Dr. KiRKBRiDE. During the time that I served as a consultant, I can 

 recall coming over to this building, I believe — at least it is the build- 

 ing where Mr. E-ogers has his office, and consulting with him on how 



